Religion

longship

(40,416 posts)

18. I saw parts of the series.

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:11 PM

Dec 2012

IMHO, they soft peddled some issues. But as I didn't see the whole thing, I should reserve judgement.

You know that I take the attitude of some of the more militant of the atheist activists, that religion does not deserve a free pass on being respectable any more than atheism -- or any other thing -- does.

I am much aligned with Daniel Dennett on this. We have to break the spell that religion has had on culture and, especially politics. Only then, can we be a whole society again. That could be a worldwide society if we got it done. And nobody would have to stop believing in anything they want, except that their beliefs trump everybody else's.

Citation for lurkers:
Dennett, Daniel C.: Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon
Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_the_Spell:_Religion_as_a_Natural_Phenomenon
Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0143038338

As always, my friend.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

76 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Why Is Religion So Afraid Of Women? [View all] cbayer Dec 2012 OP

Because we have spooky special powers. pegasis Dec 2012 #1

welcome to du, and you are correct. niyad Dec 2012 #3

Welcome to DU and to the religion group, pegasis. cbayer Dec 2012 #8

Ha! So awesome! nt ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #19

You are asking the wrong question. Big Blue Marble Dec 2012 #2

Good Point /eom dballance Dec 2012 #6

It's not just religions. It's societies and cultures despite religions as well. cbayer Dec 2012 #7

Because we have the control over a number of things that they need or want. Squinch Dec 2012 #28

men are afraid of women because of their iemitsu Dec 2012 #32

I agree that this is the bottom line to some extent. cbayer Dec 2012 #34

Yep, its about reproduction and iemitsu Dec 2012 #36

I believe that there are many like you, but I also cbayer Dec 2012 #37

I see the battle intensifying too. iemitsu Dec 2012 #44

I think the battle is intensifying precisely BECAUSE there has been progress. The progress Squinch Dec 2012 #65

Sure, people don't fight unless they feel threatened. iemitsu Dec 2012 #66

Exactly... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #63

It's sex that most religions fear rocktivity Dec 2012 #4

I can't agree with that. Since it is the goal of some religions to increase their numbers, cbayer Dec 2012 #5

Yes, some religions NEED their followers having babies in order to increase their numbers rocktivity Dec 2012 #9

Its not so much sex that religions want to control iemitsu Dec 2012 #39

That may be the goal of some religions, but early/Catholic Christianity at least had the goal... Moonwalk Dec 2012 #40

I think much of what you say is valid. At the very least, it is a really ineteresting. cbayer Dec 2012 #41

Evolutionary advantage in a social/religious system doesn't mean producing kids, it means... Moonwalk Dec 2012 #42

also mithraism was the religion of nobles Phillip McCleod Dec 2012 #50

Good point. As I said, secret fraternity religions--including elite ones... Moonwalk Dec 2012 #73

Women upset the good old boy culture which many denominations have. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #10

Agree. It is too bad that the CoE has not followed in kind. cbayer Dec 2012 #11

The COE is going to have another vote on it by summer. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #12

Now if they can just figure out why so many women voted against it, cbayer Dec 2012 #13

Plus the head of your church is Queen Elizabeth. iemitsu Dec 2012 #43

The queen is the head of the English church only. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #46

Thank you for the clarification. iemitsu Dec 2012 #48

The Episcopal Church is governed by the house of Bishops and Deputies. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #49

Thank you for your thoughtful and informative post. iemitsu Dec 2012 #59

I was happy to give you the info. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #60

A former Presiding Bishop okasha Dec 2012 #70

:) Conservatives are so cute. iemitsu Dec 2012 #72

I'm sure their mothers love them. okasha Dec 2012 #75

Explained very well in the article. longship Dec 2012 #14

Definitely cultural and can still be seen most everywhere. cbayer Dec 2012 #15

Your post gave me a chuckle. longship Dec 2012 #16

Have you seen the "God in America" programs? cbayer Dec 2012 #17

I saw parts of the series. longship Dec 2012 #18

There are no "Bronze Age scriptures" cited. okasha Dec 2012 #23

They are metaphors, my friend. longship Dec 2012 #45

Uhm, I'm not the one who's proceeding on faith, here. okasha Dec 2012 #69

Here's some help for you. longship Dec 2012 #71

Aw, gee, thanks. okasha Dec 2012 #74

For a long time, people who valued gender equality and wished to belong to a religious group ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #20

It goes back to Yahweh's divorce from Asherah. It was apparently a bad breakup. dimbear Dec 2012 #21

She got the kids, and he's been pissed ever since. Squinch Dec 2012 #29

Men's fear of the women's ability to give birth to new life. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #22

Or freaked out that they were not in control of the ability to give birth, which is also the ability Squinch Dec 2012 #30

It's the wrong question. okasha Dec 2012 #24

If you mean, why are men so afraid of women having power, I agree. cbayer Dec 2012 #25

I'm not sure there's just one answer. okasha Dec 2012 #31

Interesting. cbayer Dec 2012 #33

At least in popular intellectual myth, okasha Dec 2012 #35

It really is hard to imagine that they didn't see the connection, but who knows. cbayer Dec 2012 #38

Less possessiveness and more actual equality, certainly. okasha Dec 2012 #68

It's not fear, it's hate. CrispyQ Dec 2012 #26

They are afraid of us because we might be witches. rainin Dec 2012 #27

Any survey of world religions points out that women have been under quota in making religions up. dimbear Dec 2012 #47

Tentatitively proposing Janet Morris, since my fave James Tiptree, Jr. has dimbear Dec 2012 #67

also why do women outnumber men in the pews? Phillip McCleod Dec 2012 #51

Because religion has often provided a place of refuge and solace for people cbayer Dec 2012 #52

its a social construct meaning a stereotype Phillip McCleod Dec 2012 #54

I think it has to do more with your station in life than need for security. cbayer Dec 2012 #55

i'm not sure station and security are incompatible constructs. Phillip McCleod Dec 2012 #58

come to think of it Phillip McCleod Dec 2012 #56

Excellent point. cbayer Dec 2012 #57

true that. another thought along that line Phillip McCleod Dec 2012 #61

Sounds like you are talking about tribes and why people associate with them. cbayer Dec 2012 #62

a fair analogy i think. Phillip McCleod Dec 2012 #64

power of creation is an implicit threat to the patriarchy? Deep13 Dec 2012 #53

Religion was the law of primitive (ignorant) man. Dawson Leery Dec 2012 #76