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In reply to the discussion: Creation Science at its best [View all]

muriel_volestrangler

(101,146 posts)
19. Based on: mathematics, physics, biology, geology, archaeology
Fri Nov 23, 2012, 01:24 PM
Nov 2012

What level of detail do you want to go into?

"The evidence that it sounds wrong?...How rational is that? "

Very rational. why do you ask?

".the art of storytelling has never been where people just make shit up"

No, sometimes people make shit up. Like continents that don't exist, or time travel, or miracles.

"it is mostly based on real events. "

"Real events" meaning "mostly featuring humans", perhaps. But if you want that 'mostly' to mean something significant, then clarify the number of stories you've examined, and the level of detail you went into to determine if they were 'real events' or not.

"And you are wrong...the story is in every culture...on every continent. "

No. What, for instance, is 'the same story' in Celtic or Norse myth?

The myth does not just have Noah thinking his family is the only one left. It has God specifically telling him he will kill all the other humans and land animals, before it happens, because God doesn't like them (well, he doesn't like the people, but is happy to kill the animals with them).

"But where the watter came from is an interesting one indeed"

No, it's not. Because it's obvious to anyone who paid attention in school that it requires the miraculous creation of far greater amounts of water than the Earth has ever had, or the instantaneous moving of continents downwards by miles. I suggest you learn some basic mathematics before you ever pretend again that methane hydrates could cause anything that can be seen as a worldwide flood, as opposed to a tsunami that affects one coast (and which coast are you claiming could have been affected in that way, that then gave rise to a flood myth in the Jordan valley where the Genesis stories appeared?)

The thing is, you can point out how actual floods happen, and say "maybe the story relates to that", but the story is explicitly about wiping out everything not on the ark, and about all land being covered with water in all directions for scores of days. It bears no more relation to reality than me saying "I once knew a man a hundred feet tall!" and then excusing this as 'based on reality' by saying "some people are taller than others".

"how does it make you feel if some one ridicules you?"

It makes me feel like I need to learn something. How does it make you feel?

"presented your case with no ridicule of theirs" That has, of course, been done over hundreds of years, and the idiots still have not learnt. Instead, they indoctrinate children to ignore reality, and believe what is written in one book. So we laugh at them too.

"could you learn from them?"

No. They are idiots who refuse to look at reality, because they have been brought up to be ignorant, and proud of it. They think it's a virtue to believe a book when it flies in the face of reality.

Creation Science at its best [View all] muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 OP
"The science of antediluvian plushies" longship Nov 2012 #1
Hmmph! Nobody here seems to believe in antediluvian plushies, simply because struggle4progress Nov 2012 #82
So here's the deal: after the flood, you let all these orders morningglory Nov 2012 #2
Wait, WHAT? savebigbird Nov 2012 #9
Yes, I'd have to say that some of us DID evolve (or not evolve) from plushies...... HuskiesHowls Nov 2012 #13
At this point, this is all I can do. aaaaaa5a Nov 2012 #3
Everyone knows creationists are all furries. valerief Nov 2012 #4
yick dlwickham Dec 2012 #201
These people have selective vision,hearing,memory,selective everything. Rain Mcloud Nov 2012 #5
They "selective vision ..." They also have the adrenaline rush from the hate which unites them. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #7
To paraphrase Cicero, how can they pass one another on the street without laughing out loud? AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #6
She blinded me with Creation Science! n/t Bossy Monkey Nov 2012 #8
My first scientific response to the "Tree thing" was... BlueJazz Nov 2012 #10
Ya gotta love the Noah's Ark arguments. zeemike Nov 2012 #11
There's no 'weak logic' on the 'atheist side' muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #14
And you base your opinion that it is fictional on what evidence? zeemike Nov 2012 #17
Based on: mathematics, physics, biology, geology, archaeology muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #19
Wow, you really have a live one there, don't you! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #22
No need to go into detail at all zeemike Nov 2012 #24
Seriously, stop this you are just appearing more and more foolish intaglio Nov 2012 #27
So "did not happen" is not a negative? zeemike Nov 2012 #34
This kind of shit is infuriating. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2012 #41
Well if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen zeemike Nov 2012 #45
I just have to step in here and say...you have not exhibited one iota of critical thinking. Walk away Dec 2012 #202
Not one iota you say... zeemike Dec 2012 #203
Critical thinking includes a commitment to using reason in the formulation of beliefs. Walk away Dec 2012 #207
No, Hypotheses are predictive intaglio Nov 2012 #42
Well we go right back to the same old thing. zeemike Nov 2012 #43
Speaking of stupider skepticscott Nov 2012 #46
Oh that is so beautiful zeemike Nov 2012 #54
Evidence always wins skepticscott Nov 2012 #58
its not nonbelievers fault that Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #49
Well sure. zeemike Nov 2012 #53
Bad analogy Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2012 #56
That is the point I was making. zeemike Nov 2012 #59
Except that you have NO "EVIDENCE" of that flood JKingman Nov 2012 #61
Does that apply to your hypothesis that it never happened? zeemike Nov 2012 #88
YES!!! TOTALLY, If you have NO EVIDENCE that JKingman Nov 2012 #89
Well I am glad to tell you why rational people don't take it in. zeemike Nov 2012 #90
Lets cut to the chase, shall we? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #91
Well t have no evidence myself. zeemike Nov 2012 #98
So if you have no evidence to support that hypothesis, why do you hold it to be true? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #99
I could ask you the same question zeemike Nov 2012 #102
What evidence goes unseen by the public? Produce it if it exists, zeemlike. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #104
You are proclaiming you are privy to secret evidence that we have not seen muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #109
Well there is nothing secret about it. zeemike Nov 2012 #116
Who says "Fossils don't form on lake bottoms today"? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #118
What is false about Santa, compared to your fantasy? JKingman Nov 2012 #93
Ironically Santa Clause is an example of what I am talking about. zeemike Nov 2012 #97
same rules do appy. Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #71
So different rules for claims you call extraordinary? zeemike Nov 2012 #86
you can muddy the waters (pun intended) all you want Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #95
Well at least you are now saying credible evidence zeemike Nov 2012 #96
Please give evidence that *most* myths are based in some truth muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #111
Well it is my opinion that most are. zeemike Nov 2012 #112
Narcissus Laochtine Dec 2012 #162
lack of credible evidence is not an improvement for the global flood hypothesis Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #121
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #106
Well I will take the first in my Google serch. zeemike Nov 2012 #114
And what is the consensus of the geological community on this? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #117
Well I don't know and don't give it much thought. zeemike Nov 2012 #120
"Well I don't know and don't give it much thought". Yes, that seems apparent. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #122
So if it is not a standard term is it not real? zeemike Nov 2012 #130
It seems that you are not grasping the way science works. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #131
And you are not grasping what I am saying. zeemike Nov 2012 #133
Does any of the "evidence" you have put forward pass the test of the scientific method? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #134
Well that is the difference between us I guess. zeemike Nov 2012 #138
Your continued misrepresentation and mischaracterization of everything I post shows you are playing cleanhippie Nov 2012 #140
On that subject: muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #135
'Polystrate' fossils: muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #119
Except that the only thing that said the flood existed is the Bible Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2012 #84
And you keep insisting on things that are not true....literally. zeemike Nov 2012 #85
What evidence? Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2012 #110
What evedence do you have that NO evedence exists? zeemike Nov 2012 #115
Doesn't work that way Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2012 #123
I am not hear to argue that case zeemike Nov 2012 #124
"I am not hear (sic) to argue that case" Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2012 #126
"Oh, and don't ask me to prove a negative." zeemike Nov 2012 #128
Ahh, I see where the disconnect is! Science has not claimed that there was not a world-wide flood! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #136
It is not my hypothesis and I have no desire to prove it. zeemike Nov 2012 #137
INFINITE FACEPALM!!!!!! cleanhippie Nov 2012 #139
Saying "there is no evidence" is not the same as proving a negative Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2012 #143
Perhaps we need to look at the TOTAL AMOUNT OF WATER on the planet? JKingman Nov 2012 #87
thats awesome Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #129
No, I am saying you have a false hypothesis intaglio Nov 2012 #62
sorry to dive in here but Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #44
The ones being dogmatic are the creationists Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2012 #55
Well they absolutely are zeemike Nov 2012 #60
Ah, here, once again, the foundations of the discipline of .. JKingman Nov 2012 #63
So let me get this strait zeemike Nov 2012 #64
Shall we take your fuzzy logic step by step? JKingman Nov 2012 #65
Well this is why I seldom come here or bring this up. zeemike Nov 2012 #66
Well, here again, you're taking a few few facts and JKingman Nov 2012 #67
Well you don't need to tell me about the Gulf Cost zeemike Nov 2012 #70
You seem to be ignorant of geology and biology... Humanist_Activist Nov 2012 #73
I am not pretending to be a scientist. zeemike Nov 2012 #76
Basically you are saying the experts shouldn't be consulted, do you diagnose yourself... Humanist_Activist Nov 2012 #77
how long do you think it takes JKingman Nov 2012 #78
I was looking up similar evidence, that points to 1 year as well, to reach maturity.... Humanist_Activist Nov 2012 #79
Thanks I always go for the USGS, NOAA, and other US JKingman Nov 2012 #81
Yeah, I found a couple of reports on disease oysters suffer... Humanist_Activist Nov 2012 #83
This is the most fascinating post Dorian Gray Nov 2012 #156
It would help your case if you can point to someone else referring to this 'hundreds of feet thick' muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #74
As I said in an other post this was in the 70s zeemike Nov 2012 #75
Good - that gives us something to work with muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #80
Not really sure just what this is supposed to tell us regarding your world-wide flood hypothesis. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #92
Well there are two explanations of why those thick beds of shells are there. zeemike Nov 2012 #100
What is the scientific explanation? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #101
You do realize that most of these shoals form in protected areas... Humanist_Activist Nov 2012 #105
I don't get the feeling that zeemlike is impressed at all by these facts. Not even a little bit. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #107
RIGHT! He has this one fact and cannot seem to find ... JKingman Nov 2012 #113
"it is mostly based on real events. " AlbertCat Nov 2012 #144
The story is not in every culture TrogL Nov 2012 #103
No progressoid Nov 2012 #23
Well that is true for sure. zeemike Nov 2012 #25
Or would have known of the over-one-and-a-half-million species of insects, or... mr blur Nov 2012 #36
Well I reject your assertion that I am making myself look foolish zeemike Nov 2012 #38
Funny that you reject that assertion skepticscott Nov 2012 #47
Well of course I did zeemike Nov 2012 #51
This may clear some things up for you. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #125
By that definition is the Flat Earth also a theory? zeemike Nov 2012 #127
It is becoming obvious that you are just playing a game here. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #132
Why do you not read what is being said to you? intaglio Nov 2012 #141
The flat earth theory WAS accepted by a consensus at one time. zeemike Nov 2012 #142
You demonstrate absolute ignorance about the Sciences and Velikovski intaglio Nov 2012 #145
Well I wish to end this conversation. zeemike Nov 2012 #146
Translation: I just had my ass handed to me so I will bloviate for a bit then slink off in a huff. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #147
And of course the parting shot insult post. zeemike Nov 2012 #148
You should have just walked away when you had the chance. But you must be a glutton for punishment. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #149
You think you punished me with all that crap you posted? zeemike Nov 2012 #150
I think... gcomeau Nov 2012 #152
In your view you mean. zeemike Dec 2012 #159
The "official story"? gcomeau Dec 2012 #166
Go to any university and what do they teach? zeemike Dec 2012 #168
Is this some kind of elaborate practical joke? gcomeau Dec 2012 #170
I am not trolling a forum zeemike Dec 2012 #171
Could have fooled me. gcomeau Dec 2012 #172
Move Over! cleanhippie Dec 2012 #173
"someone who deliberately posts ridiculous nonsense to get a rise out of people? zeemike Dec 2012 #174
Yep. gcomeau Dec 2012 #175
No the drill is to discredit facts that counteract yours. zeemike Dec 2012 #176
In an oblique manner? gcomeau Dec 2012 #177
"Pure unadulterated nonsense" zeemike Dec 2012 #178
"Why is that"? gcomeau Dec 2012 #179
Well that is just not true...Methane locked in hydrates is enormous . zeemike Dec 2012 #180
I'm aware they're enormous. gcomeau Dec 2012 #181
Now how the hell do you know that? zeemike Dec 2012 #182
Laugh riot gcomeau Dec 2012 #183
And your theory is that such things are impossible . zeemike Dec 2012 #184
The above could not happen muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #185
Well great then, we have a definitive answer. zeemike Dec 2012 #188
POE'S LAW! cleanhippie Dec 2012 #190
My intent is to learn zeemike Dec 2012 #196
If your intent was to learn, you would have stopped plastering nonsense after nonsense... cleanhippie Dec 2012 #200
It is not nonsense and it is nonsense to say it is. zeemike Dec 2012 #204
Nonsense. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #206
The tidal force from an object is inversely proportional to the cube of distance muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #192
So then how close would the encounter have to be to cause the crust zeemike Dec 2012 #195
SUCH THINGS LEAVE FREAKING EVIDENCE gcomeau Dec 2012 #186
Yes indeed...such thing do leave evidence. zeemike Dec 2012 #187
For cripes sake. gcomeau Dec 2012 #189
It is there...you just did not see it. zeemike Dec 2012 #197
No. It. Is. Not gcomeau Dec 2012 #198
What you watched it for about one minute? zeemike Dec 2012 #199
I've watched the entire thing. gcomeau Dec 2012 #205
Well what I know for sure is that it will and can never be enough. zeemike Dec 2012 #208
He didn't answer ANY freaking question I asked. gcomeau Dec 2012 #209
Well I have no intentions of running along now. zeemike Dec 2012 #210
Feel free to hang out talking to yourself then. gcomeau Dec 2012 #211
Hay man, he is a Poe, and is just playing you. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #191
That was the conclusion I was leaning towards back in post #170... gcomeau Dec 2012 #193
I know, I responded for a bit too! cleanhippie Dec 2012 #194
I thought you wished to end this conversation? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #154
I never give up when when leaving someone calls me a coward. zeemike Dec 2012 #158
Never called you a coward, but if you feel you are one, that is your problem. cleanhippie Dec 2012 #160
And at the second parting....call them a liar zeemike Dec 2012 #161
Is it not the trait of a liar to fabricate the words of another? cleanhippie Dec 2012 #163
You mean like you did when you "tranlated" my words? zeemike Dec 2012 #164
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" cleanhippie Dec 2012 #165
But you do walk away when you do not have any evidence to support you. intaglio Dec 2012 #157
Is that a bad joke? gcomeau Nov 2012 #151
Creation "science" is also bad theology Nonhlanhla Nov 2012 #12
I would expect some flooding at the end of an ice age. Blanks Nov 2012 #32
Yes, there are flood stories across the world Nonhlanhla Nov 2012 #37
Haven't you had that goofy uncle that tells funny stories. Blanks Nov 2012 #39
There was no world-wide flood Act_of_Reparation Nov 2012 #40
Even older than Utnapishtim Nonhlanhla Nov 2012 #50
More on "Creation science is not only bad science, it is also bad theology." Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2012 #57
You put the words 'Creation' and 'Science' in the same sentence. Shadowflash Nov 2012 #15
The implications are chilling... rrneck Nov 2012 #16
One thing I have seen in YEC is the use of Leontius Nov 2012 #18
Why would a flying opossum evolve *into* something that can't cross the road? n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #20
Haha, good one! nt morningglory Nov 2012 #26
What I always wonder is how they got the parasites on the ark ck4829 Nov 2012 #21
What a cute plush animal. MineralMan Nov 2012 #28
Isn't that an illustration from Durbin's Origin of the Specious? MineralMan Nov 2012 #29
+ struggle4progress Nov 2012 #35
The creator god must have been inordinately fond of beetles vlyons Nov 2012 #30
I was told 1 in 4 of all organisms is a beetle. Blanks Nov 2012 #33
haha but you were told wrong vlyons Nov 2012 #48
neato. Phillip McCleod Nov 2012 #52
What's your source for that? Antblog doesn't agree muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #68
Don't think anybody really knows, but the main competitors would be ants, termites, dimbear Nov 2012 #69
None of them appear to be anywhere near outweighing all the other put together muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #72
I recognize that animal. It is a petauroides volans fergusonia. n/t dimbear Nov 2012 #31
It's a story! Thats my opinion Nov 2012 #94
Uh, have a look at Zeemlike's posts in this thread. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #108
46% of Americans are fundies? trotsky Nov 2012 #153
I reiterate cleanhippie's question, and wait for an answer. 2ndAmForComputers Nov 2012 #155
Me too. Fix The Stupid Dec 2012 #167
Sorry, peeps, but arguing with the guy skepticscott Dec 2012 #169
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