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Taverner

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29. Good.

Reply to struggle4progress (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:06 PM

Nov 2012

I missed that part in the Constitution where they call our country a Christian Nation

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Santa Monica can ban Nativity scenes, judge rules [View all] struggle4progress Nov 2012 OP

Are they at this again? Cleita Nov 2012 #1

The ban was against everyone. I guess the party poopers win again. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #2

Yeah, darn those party poopers skepticscott Nov 2012 #4

Then why aren't they working for getting the religious right out of our government Cleita Nov 2012 #11

Who's "they"? skepticscott Nov 2012 #13

The people that started this to begin with. Cleita Nov 2012 #14

Actually the atheists and Jews were fine with the lottery system. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #16

This started with an anti-Christian group. I was living there when it first came up. The display had Cleita Nov 2012 #17

So you're Otta here? Or more exactly incapable of coming up with Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #20

Guess she's not skepticscott Nov 2012 #90

As already explained skepticscott Nov 2012 #21

Oh, you're blaming the atheists? skepticscott Nov 2012 #22

Private vs Public lands JimDandy Nov 2012 #61

The Third Street Mall. My bad. I meant the Third Street Promenade that is city owned. Cleita Nov 2012 #64

As an equally long resident of S.M. I am so GLAD they finally did away with those sucky, awful--- Moonwalk Nov 2012 #8

Hyperbole much? They aren't big enough to block a view of the ocean. Cleita Nov 2012 #9

Hyperbole much yourself? Like taking care of this problem stopped anyone... Moonwalk Nov 2012 #19

For a few weeks out of the year, yes. Cleita Nov 2012 #23

Well, and slavery used to be traditional New Orleans skepticscott Nov 2012 #24

Nice straw man. Cleita Nov 2012 #25

Not the point skepticscott Nov 2012 #26

Yes, here we have the legal vs. moral argument. Cleita Nov 2012 #47

The people who wrote the Constitution knew skepticscott Nov 2012 #73

Just a note. I'm not trying to bolster anything or even argue. Cleita Nov 2012 #75

Yes, you are skepticscott Nov 2012 #89

Whatever you say scott. Cleita Nov 2012 #91

As noted skepticscott Nov 2012 #92

Sure, but in a message board you waste your own time with pap. Cleita Nov 2012 #93

yuppies < working class?? CBGLuthier Nov 2012 #55

Yep, it happened and to deny it for political correctness is to deny Cleita Nov 2012 #58

The working class are living on the streets BECAUSE the yuppies took their houses? CBGLuthier Nov 2012 #66

I got used to it. I moved out. Cleita Nov 2012 #67

"I hope all you yuppies enjoy the little Hell you created." Come on, you are better than this. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #69

Okay, look at this little webpage about activities for Christmas in Cleita Nov 2012 #72

Intentionally or unintentionally, you mischarachterized what I stated. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #76

I did understand what you said and thank you for putting a phrase to it, Cleita Nov 2012 #78

"when another class of people moved in and took over what was ours." cleanhippie Nov 2012 #80

I wish had the words to express, but then I would be a writer and Cleita Nov 2012 #83

+1 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #62

They do. This is a traditional thing that has gone on for decades. It hurts no Cleita Nov 2012 #65

*Sigh* cleanhippie Nov 2012 #77

If you don't know what privilege means then I can't show you what happened. Cleita Nov 2012 #79

I think I see where the confusion lies. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #81

It maybe is the symbol. Cleita Nov 2012 #84

WTF?!? trotsky Nov 2012 #97

Business districts consist of lots of PRIVATE property. Government kestrel91316 Nov 2012 #85

Well, Christmas displays are being allowed on government property Cleita Nov 2012 #86

Yeah, fucking atheists Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #28

If they are going to get all pissed about First Amendments church and state separation, there Cleita Nov 2012 #31

Certainly pissed them off, though, didn't it. Goblinmonger Nov 2012 #37

I left SM twenty years ago when this first started becoming an issue. Cleita Nov 2012 #39

I think it's for the best. The whole fiasco last year was pretty silly, cbayer Nov 2012 #3

Churches own boatloads of property for nativity scenes. nt rrneck Nov 2012 #5

I'd assume lots of private individuals have lawns and windows, too, if displays matter to them struggle4progress Nov 2012 #6

Absolutely. nt rrneck Nov 2012 #7

Not in Santa Monica unless you live north of Montana. n/t Cleita Nov 2012 #10

Well, why block everyone's view of the ocean anyway... polichick Nov 2012 #12

They aren't blocking anything. They aren't big enough and they face Ocean Avenue not the beach. Cleita Nov 2012 #15

You can always see between the trees... polichick Nov 2012 #33

My view seems a bit unpopular here, but I really think Cleita Nov 2012 #34

Sorry, I was raised Christian but I'm as sick of them as I am of... polichick Nov 2012 #35

Me too and I have no use for dogma, but Cleita Nov 2012 #36

I enjoy the stories too, of all cultures and religions, but... polichick Nov 2012 #38

They do worry about the homeless but they are overwhelmed with it in Santa Monica. Cleita Nov 2012 #40

When the power went out in NYC with Hurricane Sandy... polichick Nov 2012 #42

The reason this public space was chosen is that it (City Hall) Cleita Nov 2012 #44

I used to help feed the homeless in Santa Monica at City Hall as part of a church group. kwassa Nov 2012 #70

Yes, it had a lot going for it. Cleita Nov 2012 #71

Just another note about the Oar House. Cleita Nov 2012 #74

I've been to McGinty's kwassa Nov 2012 #94

All gone probably now. Cleita Nov 2012 #95

Damn. Even Fox News managed to report this part... onager Nov 2012 #18

Good riddance edhopper Nov 2012 #27

It's a tradition that harms no one. It would be different if there were live Cleita Nov 2012 #32

But it's still using public resources to promote a religion. trotsky Nov 2012 #41

How are they promoting religion? They are telling a story that could Cleita Nov 2012 #43

If you are seriously going to argue that a creche doesn't promote Christianity... trotsky Nov 2012 #45

Since religion was not promoted by the creches in the decades before there was Cleita Nov 2012 #46

Actually, that's the point. It *was* being promoted from the very first time one was put up. trotsky Nov 2012 #51

But as part of the commons, we are allowed to do things by permit on public lands. Cleita Nov 2012 #53

Of course you're allowed to do things. trotsky Nov 2012 #60

So what about the Aryan Nation when they have a march through Cleita Nov 2012 #63

Did you ever study this Supreme Court case in school? trotsky Nov 2012 #96

They WERE allowed to put it up! And other groups were too! So many that they started a lottery.. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #98

Good. Taverner Nov 2012 #29

I also missed the part where Christians are excluded from the nation, Cleita Nov 2012 #48

Some of us have families you know... Taverner Nov 2012 #49

I'm with you. They shouldn't do that to you. Cleita Nov 2012 #52

I also don't want to de-convert anyone either Taverner Nov 2012 #54

Yes, and I find the Bible no different than most mythology. It all has Cleita Nov 2012 #57

OK...so I read through most all of this thread sdfernando Nov 2012 #59

It's too bad they aren't coming back. Cleita Nov 2012 #68

The government has no business in Religion. hrmjustin Nov 2012 #30

This atheist thanks you for your patriotism Taverner Nov 2012 #50

"ban all private unattended displays"...? regnaD kciN Nov 2012 #56

I was there in September, where were are all the homeless people going doc03 Nov 2012 #82

The park, the beach and other places. My back alley was full of them before we left. Cleita Nov 2012 #87

Gotta give them credit they are smart enough to move to doc03 Nov 2012 #88