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humblebum

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94. Religion and evolution can be fully compatible.

Tue Oct 16, 2012, 12:32 PM

Oct 2012

Evolution is based upon empirical, objective evidence. Whether or not the evolutionary processes were driven by some spiritual force is purely subjective opinion and unable to be proven objectively.

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Is Evolution Compatible With Religion? [View all] cbayer Oct 2012 OP

I can't understand why an omnipotent "God" could not do whatever HOWever s-he wills to. nt patrice Oct 2012 #1

I can't understand... gcomeau Nov 2012 #159

"you"? Perhaps you should begin with me by asking me whether I'm "sticking" anything on to science patrice Nov 2012 #164

That was a generic "you". gcomeau Nov 2012 #165

I fail to see why science should be concerned if it poses a threat to religion Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #2

I think the more appropriate question how the large number of creationists threaten science. cbayer Oct 2012 #3

They do not threaten science because science can stand on its own Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #7

Let me rephrase. cbayer Oct 2012 #10

I really do not see any religions slapping these people down Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #14

If religion is of no use to you, so be it. cbayer Oct 2012 #15

I never said religion is no use to me, way to change the discussion Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #19

Well, you said it was useless..... twice. cbayer Oct 2012 #21

Show me the quotes of where I said it was useless Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #22

Never mind. cbayer Oct 2012 #23

Translation skepticscott Oct 2012 #24

Yep. trotsky Oct 2012 #38

I see one of your stalkers showed up. Leontius Oct 2012 #33

They can't quit me. cbayer Oct 2012 #34

Who wants to "quit" you? skepticscott Oct 2012 #41

So it's "stalking" to point out that someone lied, trotsky Oct 2012 #39

Waiting for Curly Leontius Oct 2012 #42

Name-calling. trotsky Oct 2012 #43

Being human I grieve Christ everyday but I don't celebrate like some. Leontius Oct 2012 #46

And here I thought being a Christian meant you held yourself to a higher standard. trotsky Oct 2012 #56

But not quite like being called a liar when someone could not Leontius Oct 2012 #60

What? This is about YOUR behavior, that only YOU can control. trotsky Oct 2012 #61

And this is about your behavior past and continuing. Leontius Oct 2012 #63

So you are justified in your terrible behavior because you think someone else deserves it? trotsky Oct 2012 #64

Have you had enough time to identify my specific behavior that warranted your personal attacks? trotsky Oct 2012 #68

Hi, still waiting to find out why you think your attacks were justified. trotsky Oct 2012 #69

Have you figured out yet what I did to deserve punishment? trotsky Oct 2012 #70

I see. trotsky Oct 2012 #71

Exactly what was the implication of 'what use religion really is'? Leontius Oct 2012 #45

It was a question Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #47

f children are being taught creationism and told that evolution is false, that hurts science. AlbertCat Oct 2012 #79

It hurts our society Meshuga Oct 2012 #82

One of the best statements that has been made Leontius Oct 2012 #6

Thank you Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #8

Ding ding ding MAD Dave Oct 2012 #17

Thank you Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #20

I really like Victor Stenger. longship Oct 2012 #4

He does not think they are compatible, but doesn't really offer cbayer Oct 2012 #12

Why does there need to be a "solution" skepticscott Oct 2012 #25

Roman Catholics seem to have no problem with it Warpy Oct 2012 #5

Thank you Kalidurga Oct 2012 #9

Pierre Tielhard de Chardin, a Jesuit, was ordered by the pope to stop writing about Science & patrice Oct 2012 #13

I attended a Jesuit University as a non-Catholic, and I agree with your view of the Jesuits. JoePhilly Oct 2012 #26

Jesuits are my favorite order because they think and challenge. cbayer Oct 2012 #27

There was a blog post posted here today concerning myths about secularism. patrice Oct 2012 #32

I can think of someone Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #72

It takes more than philosophy. My last Pope was John XXIII. nt patrice Oct 2012 #85

Oh, the last pope I liked was John XXIII Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #87

He was also a paleontologist. okasha Oct 2012 #55

Fascinating guy! I've only read The Heart of Matter, and only once so far, great breadth & depth. patrice Oct 2012 #57

Vatican II Roman Catholics may find it not inconsistent with Transubstantiation. nt patrice Oct 2012 #11

Transubstantiation is wholly unrelated to evolution Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #73

Transubstantiation is wholly unrelated to reality. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #75

+1 :) n/t Silent3 Oct 2012 #81

to you . . . another name for such absolutism is Fundamentalist fascism. nt patrice Oct 2012 #83

Quite obviously, you do not know what "transubstantiation" means. Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #88

Quite obviously, you do not know what "reality" means. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #90

Catholics believe that transubstatiation is real Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #92

Sorry pal, but reality isn't bigoted. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #95

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Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the not-so-amazing christian apologist. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #106

I see that our meek, humble, loving Christian friend... trotsky Oct 2012 #111

Very proud, indeed. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #112

but it remains an open question if the rudeness as an accidental property of the poster Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #130

If I had two communion wafers in front of me... trotsky Oct 2012 #98

You need to use your "other ways of knowing." cleanhippie Oct 2012 #99

Faith is the evidence of things not seen Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #104

No, YOU prove it. YOu are the one that claims supernatural nonsense is real. Its your delusion, cleanhippie Oct 2012 #107

Faith is the evidence of things not seen AlbertCat Oct 2012 #119

Of course not Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #102

The point is that it looks exactly as if it's complete bunk? trotsky Oct 2012 #105

Or you could call it blasphemy . . . . Pick your authoritarian poison. patrice Oct 2012 #84

Agree, particularly with your last sentence. cbayer Oct 2012 #16

Believing that evolution was guided in some way skepticscott Oct 2012 #36

It does if one's assumptions are hierarchical/top-down, instead of from the "bottom" "up", IMO, a patrice Oct 2012 #58

Ignorant claptrap skepticscott Oct 2012 #65

Religion and evolution can be fully compatible. humblebum Oct 2012 #94

those that believe that evolution was guided in some way AlbertCat Oct 2012 #80

Bottom Line: The fact that an evolutionary process occurs is plainly obvious. humblebum Oct 2012 #96

the statement is completely subjective and non-provable. AlbertCat Oct 2012 #100

Actually it is. humblebum Oct 2012 #101

ad hoc AlbertCat Oct 2012 #108

Huge difference between "ad hoc" and "ad hoc argumentum" humblebum Oct 2012 #113

First, you would have to prove that something can come from nothing. Good luck. AlbertCat Oct 2012 #114

Been there done that. Just as you have created your own ad hoc definition of deity humblebum Oct 2012 #115

The ol' redefine "nothing" dodge! AlbertCat Oct 2012 #116

You appear to be the only one dodging here. humblebum Oct 2012 #117

The ol' "I'm rubber, you're glue" ploy AlbertCat Oct 2012 #118

Like I said your "nothing" is a something, and to substitute humblebum Oct 2012 #120

As for Christianity, God is seen as far removed from space and time AlbertCat Oct 2012 #121

Like I said your nothing is a something. humblebum Oct 2012 #122

Oh for crying out loud AlbertCat Oct 2012 #123

"Indeed, it shows why it's not possible to do so." - what a crock. humblebum Oct 2012 #124

If no one else has asked you Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #137

Here we go again AlbertCat Nov 2012 #142

^^^ exactly ^^^ MAD Dave Oct 2012 #18

Wouldn't it make for more intelligent conversation Thats my opinion Oct 2012 #48

No. okasha Oct 2012 #54

Just once Warpy Oct 2012 #62

Hey Warpy, what was the question?. Thats my opinion Oct 2012 #67

It would make for more intelligent conversation skepticscott Oct 2012 #66

I agree. I went to Catholic school for 12 years, and I learned about evolution MgtPA Oct 2012 #52

Nitpick gcomeau Nov 2012 #158

I know that and you know that Warpy Nov 2012 #161

Noted... -eom gcomeau Nov 2012 #162

As a Christian...I have never believed in the Genesis story of 6 days... Swede Atlanta Oct 2012 #28

I hope you were able to find a better, more progressive church and pastor for your Dad. cbayer Oct 2012 #29

He never established a new church home.... Swede Atlanta Oct 2012 #30

I'm sorry that you lost him. cbayer Oct 2012 #31

Many who are faithful Christians Thats my opinion Oct 2012 #35

Thank you so much skepticscott Oct 2012 #37

There appears to be a bias that makes that fact less of an issue to at least some evolutionary patrice Oct 2012 #59

How is evolution valid theologically? n/t Meshuga Oct 2012 #97

the only ones it's not compatible with is the christian fundies and maybe all all religious demosincebirth Oct 2012 #40

So will somebody that thinks Christianity is compatible with evolution moobu2 Oct 2012 #44

nobody I know on"religion" thinks that. See my response above. nt Thats my opinion Oct 2012 #49

Most christians are not literalists, that's how. cbayer Oct 2012 #50

thank you! duh! nt ncgrits Oct 2012 #51

No problemo Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #74

You are factually wrong with your first sentence. trotsky Oct 2012 #78

It might have helped if you had bothered reading what I wrote Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2012 #89

46% of the 100% of Americans. trotsky Oct 2012 #93

I am a christian I believe in evolution. I just assume that God created us through this way. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #53

accept this as fact. AlbertCat Oct 2012 #109

I edited my post. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #110

Science and magic are incompatable. nt bowens43 Oct 2012 #76

Is anything compatible with religion? Zambero Oct 2012 #77

Religion, as a general idea, can be both compatible and incompatible with ANYTHING. 2ndAmForComputers Oct 2012 #86

I think that non-theistic religions such as Buddhism would have no problem Sam1 Oct 2012 #91

I grew up in an Anglican tradition Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #125

Why cant we credit God for creating the science of evolution? DCBob Nov 2012 #126

It's perfectly logical for many, not just you. cbayer Nov 2012 #128

Sorry, lie skepticscott Nov 2012 #155

Well that depends on who 'we' are, and what 'we' deem reasonable. HereSince1628 Nov 2012 #138

You can certainly do that. trotsky Nov 2012 #150

to me its logical.. DCBob Nov 2012 #166

But then you believe in a god that came from nothing, so you really haven't solved the problem... trotsky Nov 2012 #167

it just makes more logical sense to me that an intelligent God was always there.. DCBob Nov 2012 #168

It may make more sense to you... trotsky Nov 2012 #169

you are entitled to your opinion. DCBob Nov 2012 #170

As you are entitled to yours. trotsky Nov 2012 #174

never said my opinion was a fact. DCBob Nov 2012 #175

Actually, you started things off in that regard. trotsky Nov 2012 #180

huh?? DCBob Nov 2012 #181

Well, for starters, there was no "magical spontaneous eruption of the laws of the nature out..." cleanhippie Nov 2012 #171

Please explain how do you get from nothing to the universe we see today. DCBob Nov 2012 #172

Please show where anyone claims that but you. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #173

of course they dont because there is no explanation scientific or otherwise. DCBob Nov 2012 #176

So in other words, you made that up. Got it. cleanhippie Nov 2012 #177

Thanks for the insult. DCBob Nov 2012 #178

Wait a sec. You throw out a well-debunked Christian apologist argument and you find that insulting? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #179

Please explain how you get from "god" to the universe we see today. trotsky Nov 2012 #182

You could devise a religon that uses evolution as the tool of the diety, Agnosticsherbet Nov 2012 #127

Yes, of course it is Anthony McCarthy Nov 2012 #129

Beware: Reconciling American style religious beliefs with SDjack Nov 2012 #131

What are American style religious beliefs? cbayer Nov 2012 #132

What ever Billie Graham Cracker says it is. SDjack Nov 2012 #135

Only to some. US is a big tent and religion in the US is also a big tent. cbayer Nov 2012 #136

Rejection of evolution is mainly in Crackerstan. nt SDjack Nov 2012 #139

I'm not sure what you mean by Crackerstan, but it sounds like it might cbayer Nov 2012 #140

Here is a county level map of religious domination. SDjack Nov 2012 #160

I think you forgot your link. But I know what you are talking about. cbayer Nov 2012 #163

What the majority of American Christians believe. trotsky Nov 2012 #151

Pursue science as if God does not exist exboyfil Nov 2012 #133

Excellent way to express this difference. I think many scientists take exactly this approach. cbayer Nov 2012 #134

Which came first?? .......... evolution or religion?? Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #141

Evolution, clearly. cbayer Nov 2012 #143

So clearly then religion has to meld with evolution Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #144

Why would that be? cbayer Nov 2012 #145

Add together different elements Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #146

This makes no sense to me. It makes no difference at all which came first. cbayer Nov 2012 #147

Where to start ............ Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #148

So what you are saying is that it is possible for christians to understand that cbayer Nov 2012 #149

We agree on the first part. Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #152

Well, we agree. They are compatible and those that understand and accept scientific evidence cbayer Nov 2012 #153

I can not prove it but I think under certain circumstances they could evolve or change Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #154

So..... some things may be possible that one can not prove. cbayer Nov 2012 #156

And I fail to understand what you mean by that statement Angry Dragon Nov 2012 #157

Simply ignore anything in your holy book that conflicts with the scientific evidence... Bradical79 Nov 2012 #183

Irrelevant point... rexcat Nov 2012 #184