Religion

defacto7

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82. Sounds like you are the one tail chasin!

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 03:35 AM

Oct 2012

You're going rather in circles, and for what reason? probably to prove... something. I guess you need to prove you're premise is correct although you never stated one.. I can't help you there. You seem to need to negate an atheist's view of themselves. That's absurd, but if it helps you deal, feel free.

You are over complicating for the effect. It's all very simple. Faith is either ON or OFF. Religion requires faith. Faith is choosing to believe something that cannot and must not be proven. Therefore faith deletes itself if there is an tangible definition of it's object; it is no longer faith but fact. These are incomparable concepts.

I have no faith. I have trust. Trust can change when the data changes and I am compelled to do so. Faith cannot or your choice of God was wrong. Gods and change are incompatible.

Therefore, this old cliché is still the best example if your are interested in reduction: "Atheism is a Religion like the OFF button on a TV is a channel."

Atheism is simply no deity. No more, no less, no strings. The choices are, Light is on or light is off. 1 or 0.

BTW, I don't need to say anything about a god, you do. I am obliging or engaging your issue. It's not mine.

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Has religion solved anything? [View all] Laochtine Oct 2012 OP

and you'll be reporting this back to Skittles Oct 2012 #1

to me of course Laochtine Oct 2012 #4

Religion is not really set up to solve things. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #2

I agree to a certain extant Laochtine Oct 2012 #5

Ahhh. Religion is science. Now I understand. geckosfeet Oct 2012 #72

That is an interesting was to put it. But it works in a way. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #74

Well, science is asking questions. And looking for answers. And testing them. Over and over. geckosfeet Oct 2012 #76

not yet but its joelz Oct 2012 #3

I've always been partial to Loki Laochtine Oct 2012 #6

What is a witch god? cleanhippie Oct 2012 #14

LOL good luck on that Marrah_G Oct 2012 #16

Thor is my bet for strongest Laochtine Oct 2012 #31

I vote kodama for coolest spirits Confusious Oct 2012 #53

Very cool Laochtine Oct 2012 #61

It's a very effective tool to control large numbers of people. MercutioATC Oct 2012 #7

The agreed on way to firm up a bet or a contract, by shaking hands, comes from dimbear Oct 2012 #8

Sure beats grabbing the other's genitals.. defacto7 Oct 2012 #10

Good point. dimbear Oct 2012 #11

Then I am just about sure the senator who kept a cucumber in his magic underwear got the 2on2u Oct 2012 #77

Personally, I think religion gives some people a sense of right and wrong who would not have it mindwalker_i Oct 2012 #9

Religion will not help anyone... rexcat Oct 2012 #12

It helped us survive rrneck Oct 2012 #13

us and them? Laochtine Oct 2012 #19

There is no real difference rrneck Oct 2012 #20

sweaters and Laochtine Oct 2012 #27

Cheerleaders, beer, and barbeque. rrneck Oct 2012 #36

It's every dream I have Laochtine Oct 2012 #43

Yes!!! patrice Oct 2012 #67

It still does QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #21

The only religion that matters in government rrneck Oct 2012 #22

What do you think? cbayer Oct 2012 #15

Thanks for the welcome Laochtine Oct 2012 #17

I meant, do you think it has solved anything? cbayer Oct 2012 #25

Sorry if I didn't answer clearly Laochtine Oct 2012 #30

How about what it has done for enslaved or abused people? cbayer Oct 2012 #33

I don't deny positive contributions Laochtine Oct 2012 #42

Well you asked the broad question and your follow up posts would indicate cbayer Oct 2012 #49

We can probably show by scientific inquiry that it has QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #18

You're missing a step. trotsky Oct 2012 #23

Religion has uniquely solved things too QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #28

Then it wasn't religion that solved it, it was humans. Period. trotsky Oct 2012 #75

Yes, humans who live/follow their *religious* beliefs. D'oh! QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #81

So again, you've missed a step. trotsky Oct 2012 #83

No, god-based religious ethics/values are unique, in both application, experience, and conception QuantumOfPeace Oct 2012 #89

Show they're unique. trotsky Oct 2012 #90

Ugh. I see you're still waiting. Iggo Oct 2012 #92

Naw, that's OK, the troll got PPR'ed. trotsky Oct 2012 #93

I've not seen the evidence Laochtine Oct 2012 #24

What do you think about the role *religionists* played in the civil rights movement? cbayer Oct 2012 #26

I see it as a push Laochtine Oct 2012 #34

A push? Not sure what you mean by that. cbayer Oct 2012 #40

A push to me is equal Laochtine Oct 2012 #48

So your position is that religion has done as much good as it has bad? cbayer Oct 2012 #50

It's Laochtine Oct 2012 #58

It's great that it is unnecessary for you and would only be a burden. But you cbayer Oct 2012 #60

not in the sigularity Laochtine Oct 2012 #66

I'm sorry, but this post is completely incoherent to me. cbayer Oct 2012 #69

It has solved about as much in human history as smoking opium has. tridim Oct 2012 #29

lol Laochtine Oct 2012 #37

Sure. Religion has solved a variety of things... HereSince1628 Oct 2012 #32

yeah, but Laochtine Oct 2012 #38

Chicks? cbayer Oct 2012 #41

no offence I hope Laochtine Oct 2012 #45

It reflects the culture of the time... as does using the word "chicks" cbayer Oct 2012 #47

So should we allow Laochtine Oct 2012 #51

is this bad form Laochtine Oct 2012 #54

Allow? Goat herders? We? cbayer Oct 2012 #56

Which (T) part is literal? Laochtine Oct 2012 #62

How the hell would I know? cbayer Oct 2012 #64

ok Laochtine Oct 2012 #68

Nice chatting with you as well. cbayer Oct 2012 #70

It has most likely prevented the global population from reaching 20 billion at this point in 2on2u Oct 2012 #78

"The only good thing to come out of religion is the music"....George Carlin thelordofhell Oct 2012 #35

and art Laochtine Oct 2012 #39

It solved Benny Hinn's Bently car payments. Lint Head Oct 2012 #44

What a charlatan Laochtine Oct 2012 #46

By golly, I think we have a winner. n/t trotsky Oct 2012 #91

Some people have a deep need for certainty. Speck Tater Oct 2012 #52

Would it Laochtine Oct 2012 #57

Buddhism doesn't have a god, but people around here have assured me that it's a religion nonetheless patrice Oct 2012 #65

so is a-theism Laochtine Oct 2012 #71

he, he, he . . . good one! I keep trying to tell them that rational empiricism has nothing to say patrice Oct 2012 #73

Sounds like you are the one tail chasin! defacto7 Oct 2012 #82

Oh! I AM a "tail chaser" par excellence, BECAUSE I know and admit that that's what I am patrice Oct 2012 #84

It depends on the brand of Buddhism Speck Tater Oct 2012 #80

Thank you for this. Of course, that's true! And it can be true of any similar effort/religious brand patrice Oct 2012 #87

I consider it more of a philosophy. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #85

Agreed about Lord Jesus! A MUCH freer man than most Christians recognize. Philosophy=LOVE of wisdom patrice Oct 2012 #88

I'm not certain that "certainty" isn't really just more a trait of U.S. "Christianity" than it is of patrice Oct 2012 #63

There's always another why; that applies as much to religion as anything else. I probably patrice Oct 2012 #55

Mysterious Laochtine Oct 2012 #59

Depends on what you call "religion" - in the past an ancient school of thought has "solved" problems Hestia Oct 2012 #79

Really not sure what you mean by "solved anything" Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #86