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edhopper

(33,213 posts)
72. I suppose
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 09:48 AM
Sep 2012

though atheist wouldn't see the need to study a subject based on an nonexistent entity.
Art, music, philosophy; these are some areas that deal with ideas that don't fall under scientific inquiry. Of course certain aspects of these fields do.

That's all your opinion Warpy Sep 2012 #1
Can you prove tama Sep 2012 #3
And end at the surface of our skin Warpy Sep 2012 #8
Very strange tama Sep 2012 #9
it's tricky to find the boundaries, when we are shedding our skin cells all day long Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #51
Perhaps the heart of reality is not things in motdion, but motion itself. Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #64
or stillness itself. Kindness itself. Beauty Itself. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #73
Kindness itself. Beauty Itself. AlbertCat Sep 2012 #87
we're talking about two different things I think. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #91
How do you define Reality? AlbertCat Sep 2012 #95
If I have a perception of reality and hundreds of millions of others have the same "opinion" Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #13
Congrats. trotsky Sep 2012 #20
Perhaps that means less in the real world than it does in a formal debate. okasha Sep 2012 #76
You should read "The Believing Brain" by Michael Shermer. It would clear up this confusion. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #81
"what we have is common, repeatable, replicable experience through religion" trotsky Sep 2012 #82
common, repeatable, replicable experience through religion. AlbertCat Sep 2012 #88
experience arrives at the brain through all of the senses including the sense of feeling. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #92
including the sense of feeling. AlbertCat Sep 2012 #96
Feeling is our most fundamental survival function. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #98
You need to read "The Believeing Brain" by Michael Shermer. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #100
By "You need to read" I trust you mean "I recommend" Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #104
Is every point of view equally valid? n/t trotsky Sep 2012 #105
my point of view is valid to me. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #108
And the racist or the homophobe's view... trotsky Sep 2012 #111
Yes, my apologies for poor phrasing. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #106
If I want to compel others to agree with my point of view, of course I need to offer something Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #107
Well, I would hope that you do read this book in your quest for knowledge. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #109
thank you. I have so many books people have recommended Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #110
It IS something more, it's called "childhood indoctrination into religion." cleanhippie Sep 2012 #33
I have come to respect my own perception of reality, regardless of others. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #52
You've conflated two entirely different things. edhopper Sep 2012 #2
Evolution! and the very processes of life in which everything is related to everything else. Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #11
Your post's title is something that should have 'meaning', but appears not to, on closer inspection muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #16
I chose evolution as the impetus behind the quest for meaning as it is lived out. Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #22
No, life is not all "lured upward" muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #25
And that is"scientism" at its most obvious level.nt Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #29
No, it's not scientism. You're misusing terms muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #31
That definition of "scientism" is on target Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #42
Sorry, are you saying that you accuse people of 'scientism' so you can thwart conversation'? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #43
My 29 post was not to thwart conversation, but to suggest that scientism Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #65
The problem is skepticscott Sep 2012 #71
It is similar to the perspective held by religious fundamentalists. AlbertCat Sep 2012 #90
Trying to educate you on a scientific theory you obviously have no knowledge of is "scientism"? n/t Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #69
most scientists I know get crazy happy studying how amazing it all is. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #54
like this Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #86
I understand what you are trying to say. edhopper Sep 2012 #19
It would take the whole of process theology to offer an adequate answer. Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #23
No I am saying they exist, but have no corelation with God. edhopper Sep 2012 #26
Why is it a false analogy? okasha Sep 2012 #35
That's the point edhopper Sep 2012 #37
I notice that you declined the challenge. okasha Sep 2012 #45
Perhaps because it wasn't a challenge at all. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #47
Beauty is not the same thing as artistic "greatness." okasha Sep 2012 #77
You are confusing "pretty" with "beauty." cleanhippie Sep 2012 #78
Wrong all the way through. okasha Sep 2012 #79
What are you talking about? cleanhippie Sep 2012 #80
You know on second thought he is right edhopper Sep 2012 #85
No, you're both making an inaccurate assumption. okasha Sep 2012 #113
Did you really miss the point edhopper Sep 2012 #114
You never have had. okasha Sep 2012 #112
Is that supposed to be some kind of clever snark or put-down? How about being coherent instead? cleanhippie Sep 2012 #115
I declined you challenge because edhopper Sep 2012 #49
thank you for that. Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #66
I suppose edhopper Sep 2012 #72
Sure, I'd put theology on the list Oregonian Sep 2012 #116
processes of the universe intersect with religious thought. AlbertCat Sep 2012 #89
I think the human ability to feel is sorely underappreciated and valued. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #53
Sure I do edhopper Sep 2012 #55
yes. often I've gone with reason, ignoring a feeling, and it was a bad call. Voice for Peace Sep 2012 #57
You can't see the wind, and yet it is real. That's why in the good old days, winds were gods. dimbear Sep 2012 #4
You better talk to this guy! edhopper Sep 2012 #6
If there are gods in the universe.... Marrah_G Sep 2012 #56
Where did you find this list? Control-Z Sep 2012 #5
It is my very partial listing of notions I and most of the human race encounter. nt Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #12
All of those things can be proven. rrneck Sep 2012 #7
Looking forward to sharing some of those unproven things with you later this week. cbayer Sep 2012 #10
No on the "struggle for refinement" Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2012 #14
Teihard is hardly recent (1881-1955) Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #24
A very poor list Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #15
Trust and Faith are not the same thing. mr blur Sep 2012 #17
One thing that certainly can't be proved... Silent3 Sep 2012 #18
+1 trotsky Sep 2012 #21
Intentional conflation of the word 'faith' ... Trajan Sep 2012 #27
Tangibility and results are all some people can experience orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #28
"There is a spiritual hunger build into most of our lives..." onager Sep 2012 #30
I hate the word "prove".....it doesn't come close to explaining what real science is. Science isn't Evoman Sep 2012 #32
So you still consider gravity only a well-supported (I hope) hypothesis? okasha Sep 2012 #36
Yep. Very, very, very, very well supported. Do you want more verys? Evoman Sep 2012 #39
My college physics professor okasha Sep 2012 #46
Actually, the theory of gravity, as understood through Einstein, has huge holes in it... Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #70
Holes or no, okasha Sep 2012 #75
Good point. But as for Diety, I believe it exists because the world exists. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #40
Wow, this reads like it was cut-and-pasted from a fundie apologetics website. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #34
Perhaps a better description of religion is this: SarahM32 Sep 2012 #38
Solid and thoughtful definition. nt Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #41
So how does that solid and thoughtful definition square with your POV that no one would want to live cleanhippie Sep 2012 #44
He doesn't seem contradictory to me. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #48
I recommend reading some of TMO's previous OP's. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #50
I can see what you mean. But, ... SarahM32 Sep 2012 #58
A spirit of good will... trotsky Sep 2012 #59
I have sworn not to respond to about five of you--but let me break that promise. Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #94
Yet you still can't apologize for insulting non-believers. trotsky Sep 2012 #97
! cleanhippie Sep 2012 #101
Naw, I'm sure I'll go back to being ignored. trotsky Sep 2012 #102
And three years later you *still* stand by your indefensible, insulting, arrogant statement. mr blur Sep 2012 #103
I applaud your objectiveness... cleanhippie Sep 2012 #60
I see. FYI, here's what I found out. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #61
Karen Armstrong is worth listening to. Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #63
Apologize for insulting non-believers. trotsky Sep 2012 #84
religions were established essentially... AlbertCat Sep 2012 #93
Joseph Smith would have done wisely to honor your assertion. dimbear Sep 2012 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #67
You seem to have profound misunderstandings of both humans and science... Humanist_Activist Sep 2012 #67
Other than the last gratituous nasty paragraph, in which you reverted to the dark side of a very Thats my opinion Sep 2012 #74
See, that's exactly why you get the reaction you do. trotsky Sep 2012 #99
A beautiful example of the meaningless fuzziness of faith intaglio Sep 2012 #83
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