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Thu May 3, 2012, 01:12 PM

WingDinger (3,690 posts)

28. what I said is: Karma, is confirmation that cooperation is the key to humankinds success.

Were competition the ultimate goal, cooperation would earn you eternal torture, not cooperation.

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146 replies	Author	Time	Post
Faith is the excuse we give ourselves to believe things without good reason [View all]	man4allcats	May 2012	OP
Experience and intuition are the others	whathehell	May 2012	#1
faith is something one uses to justify one's own prejudices - I believe it therefore it's true etc n	msongs	May 2012	#2
Do you really believe that?	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#41
There is no possible proof of god, save serious miracles.	WingDinger	May 2012	#3
Well said, WingDinger.	cbayer	May 2012	#4
exactly the same evidence for what?	dmallind	May 2012	#8
While I get along better with atheists, the presumptuous part is	WingDinger	May 2012	#9
You have seen things "far in excess of nature"?	mr blur	May 2012	#10
I'll give you one example.	WingDinger	May 2012	#12
You actually don't know the odds of two beach rocks seeming to "fit" together?	edhopper	May 2012	#13
Starving children and suffering people around the world can get bent.	trotsky	May 2012	#14
You might be happier if you could get rid of a anthropromorphic notion of God,	Thats my opinion	May 2012	#86
And you might be able to relate to more people	trotsky	May 2012	#91
Never mentioned God, in relation to the rocks. Just an example of	WingDinger	May 2012	#15
But it is odds. You just don't know what they are.	Goblinmonger	May 2012	#16
What about karma? What do you think about that?	cbayer	May 2012	#17
Confirmation bias. Look it up.	trotsky	May 2012	#18
Yes, Karma, is the CONFIRMATION that cooperation is the secret to the success of mankind.	WingDinger	May 2012	#19
Again, I need only to point to Dick Cheney to disprove karma.	trotsky	May 2012	#21
There is a price for being a DICK.	WingDinger	May 2012	#22
Hmm, let's see...	trotsky	May 2012	#23
I have heart failure, and would rather die, than become a Dick, to get freebie heart fix.	WingDinger	May 2012	#25
But that's not the point here now, is it?	trotsky	May 2012	#27
what I said is: Karma, is confirmation that cooperation is the key to humankinds success.	WingDinger	May 2012	#28
So you're not going to answer the question.	trotsky	May 2012	#29
You want me to identify the cosmic killjoy, and I answered you anthropologically.	WingDinger	May 2012	#30
Nope, I'd just like to see some evidence.	trotsky	May 2012	#31
Evidence that being generally uncooperative,and not rich and powerful enough to buy sycophants	WingDinger	May 2012	#32
Oh I'm sure Dick Cheney suffers greatly because all of DU considers him to be a jerk.	trotsky	May 2012	#34
He cries himself to sleep each night because DU hates him. n/t	laconicsax	May 2012	#39
Not for that reason, but he may cry himself to sleep.	cbayer	May 2012	#43
To be honest, we have no way to know how happy or not the man is.	eqfan592	May 2012	#45
That's true, but I still wouldn't want to be him.	cbayer	May 2012	#48
Are we engaging in mindreading and asking ridiculous questions?	laconicsax	May 2012	#61
You confuse comfort, privilege, wealth and power with good Karma.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#42
I think we are talking about two different types of karma.	eqfan592	May 2012	#46
I'm not sure they are so distinct.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#49
Still not an answer.	trotsky	May 2012	#54
Karma doesn't require evidence. Neither does any personal belief.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#57
Anything goes!	trotsky	May 2012	#59
Is that what you believe?	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#65
psst	laconicsax	May 2012	#66
I know, but I thought it would be more interesting to take it literally	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#76
What's funny is that when I used the hypothetical "you" in a discussion with Thats my opinion...	trotsky	May 2012	#106
That was very civil of you. I always try to use "one". Less ambiguous.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#111
This game again?	trotsky	May 2012	#114
I missed your revision, but I appreciate the effort--and take it at face value. Thanks.	Thats my opinion	May 2012	#119
No, you didn't miss it.	trotsky	May 2012	#144
Hey, it's their deeply held beliefs - why should they keep them to themselves?	trotsky	May 2012	#69
Just because YOU don't believe, you feel the need to slam those who do	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#77
Wrong.	trotsky	May 2012	#78
You believe you are entitled to ask for evidence.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#88
And that's exactly what someone did.	trotsky	May 2012	#89
Who was that someone?	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#95
Scroll up. n/t	trotsky	May 2012	#96
I did	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#97
Hint: look for a statement that begins with "karma is..."	trotsky	May 2012	#98
Nope. I find no statement beginning with "karma is"	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#101
OK, I found it. Still don't know why you couldn't just link to it.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#102
Since you jumped into the thread to lecture and berate me,	trotsky	May 2012	#104
Apology accepted.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#109
Does a personal belief require evidence? No.	eqfan592	May 2012	#62
Couldn't agree more.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#64
re: karma	Heddi	May 2012	#70
I think you make some really good points here.	cbayer	May 2012	#72
I called out of work for a Mental Health Day tonight	Heddi	May 2012	#73
Very cool that you are learning to sail.	cbayer	May 2012	#99
mr heddi just wants a boat	Heddi	May 2012	#107
Let me know if you have any questions when shopping for your boat.	cbayer	May 2012	#113
I'll tell my husband	Heddi	May 2012	#117
Where in my post do I mention God?	edhopper	May 2012	#38
a FORCE that is in opposition to dishevel and disorder.	AlbertCat	May 2012	#51
This seems so ancedotal and inaccurate that I find it funny, you are proclaiming something special..	Humanist_Activist	May 2012	#74
Even if you dismiss the divinity hokum, there still is showing all sorts dignity and respect.	AlbertCat	May 2012	#50
A choice?	darkstar3	May 2012	#11
Refusing the charicatures of all that is, makes sense.	WingDinger	May 2012	#20
What?????	eqfan592	May 2012	#24
It is oxyMORONIC, to believe it is possible to have faith in what you dont believe.	WingDinger	May 2012	#26
Indeed it is.	eqfan592	May 2012	#33
Faith, is belief in things not see nor evidenced.	WingDinger	May 2012	#35
I agree that faith is not beliefe in what you do not believe.	eqfan592	May 2012	#36
"and belief is not dictated by choice"	WingDinger	May 2012	#37
Belief is influenced by what we choose to study.	eqfan592	May 2012	#40
To assert that all that is came about entirely organically,	AlbertCat	May 2012	#52
"Faith is not a choice." Really?	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#44
Do you think the only things that aren't chosen are things that are genetic?	eqfan592	May 2012	#47
I was never convinced about God's existence in the first place.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#55
Sorry, but I disagree when talking about it in the context of belief.	eqfan592	May 2012	#56
I disagree. I think belief is entirely a choice.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#58
How is belief entirely a choice?	eqfan592	May 2012	#60
Simple. You chose to believe that.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#67
You are conflating the existence of options in the world with the...	eqfan592	May 2012	#68
To humans, cause and effect, is lord and savior.	WingDinger	May 2012	#79
None of that demonstrates actual, conscious choice when it comes to belief.	eqfan592	May 2012	#81
Prove that belief is a choice.	laconicsax	May 2012	#63
Proof that belief, is a choice, there are those that choose to believe that. Simple..	WingDinger	May 2012	#80
"Belief exists, therefore belief is a choice."	eqfan592	May 2012	#82
I deliberately left out the muddy part that would piss people off, but since you asked...	darkstar3	May 2012	#71
Faith is always a choice. That's why we call it faith	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#75
No, that is not why we call it faith.	eqfan592	May 2012	#83
Faith means trust. I decide whether to trust something or someone.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#90
Sorry, but I'm not the one playing at semantics.	eqfan592	May 2012	#93
On certain things I will trust my lawyer more	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#94
I'm sorry, but you are just not addressing the main issue.	eqfan592	May 2012	#116
Why is deluding oneself not a valid choice?	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#121
"Why is deluding oneself not a valid choice?"	eqfan592	May 2012	#122
My point is your choice of the word "deluding"	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#124
I am in no way, shape or form saying that.	eqfan592	May 2012	#126
Ridiculous. You invalidate your first statement with your answer to A.	darkstar3	May 2012	#84
That's because no one is interested in an intellectual exercise.	trotsky	May 2012	#85
I think it is more about people not wanting to engage with fundies of any stripe.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#100
Yeah, I can't stand fundies.	trotsky	May 2012	#103
I'm happy to hear that.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#108
I'm sure you had no choice but to respond to me like that. n/t	trotsky	May 2012	#112
How do fundies not believe in choice?	eqfan592	May 2012	#118
Fundies believe there is only one true way	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#123
OK, the first draft of this was much harsher.	eqfan592	May 2012	#125
The choice one makes is based on the evidence, or lack thereof	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#131
sigh	eqfan592	May 2012	#132
Have you ever served on a jury? Not a DU jury	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#135
Ya know, maybe it would help for you to understand...	eqfan592	May 2012	#128
Thanks for sharing.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#133
I wasn't aware that she believed that all non-believers end up in hell.	eqfan592	May 2012	#134
There you go	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#136
Or two people having different beliefs constructed from their own experience...	eqfan592	May 2012	#138
We may both be correct	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#140
Same to you.	eqfan592	May 2012	#141
This post gets to the core of the matter...	CJCRANE	May 2012	#137
Yes, thank you. (nt)	eqfan592	May 2012	#139
I'm curious. Why do you find the idea of choice insulting?	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#142
I explained that, in large part, with the story about my mother. (nt)	eqfan592	May 2012	#146
All it shows me is, that as usual, you don't want a conversation	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#92
When will you be civil, then?	trotsky	May 2012	#105
You'll find that I am civil most of the time.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#110
Ah yes, the old "but maw, he did it first" routine. That's cute.	trotsky	May 2012	#115
Being intolerant of intolerance doesn't make one tolerant.	Starboard Tack	May 2012	#127
LOL	trotsky	May 2012	#143
Do not stand in the circle you have marked with your piss and preach to others about "conversation".	darkstar3	May 2012	#129
Yep, the hypocrisy is pretty glaring, isn't it? n/t	trotsky	May 2012	#145
We can accept that it is not YOUR choice.	Thats my opinion	May 2012	#87
Read #71. Carefully.	darkstar3	May 2012	#130
We?	rug	May 2012	#5
Certainly. See post #2.	Dawson Leery	May 2012	#6
Whatever works for you..... I guess.	cbayer	May 2012	#7
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so."	AlbertCat	May 2012	#53
On belief and faith...	Joseph8th	May 2012	#120

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