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Goblinmonger

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17. No it doesn't. Here's the difference

Wed Apr 25, 2012, 01:32 PM

Apr 2012

With the firefighters, the government is the entity that placed the memorial there (in this case, the fire fighters which are a governmental actor). With the nativity, the government allowed a non-governmental entity to place it there.

So, when the government is the actor, the remedy is to get rid of what the entity did. If the entity wants to create a memorial that is not a violation, that is up to them not the FFRF.

When the government is allowing others to display on government property, they have to allow an open forum.

It's not that hard, really. I know you want to paint the FFRF as assholes, but they are right on this one.

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Henderson County delays ruling on atheist sign display [View all] rug Apr 2012 OP

They can't exclude one group and allow just one viewpoint. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #1

Maybe there should be an atheist memorial in Woonsocket. rug Apr 2012 #2

Well, that's kind of silly. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #3

Extremely. rug Apr 2012 #4

No, they aren't Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #11

It seems that the only one having any contradiction issues is you. cleanhippie Apr 2012 #19

I'm pleased to see your agenda-free post. rug Apr 2012 #25

Difference here is that his agenda is defending the 1st Amendment and Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #28

Sure it is. Why don't you let him exercise it and answer himself? rug Apr 2012 #29

Sorry, I didn't know this was a private discussion Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #32

No, those take place elsewhere. rug Apr 2012 #33

Oh, yes, I'm sorry. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #36

Is that your standard for blocking from a group, being an ass? rug Apr 2012 #38

What you specifically did Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #40

Post it then. None of your cohosts could. rug Apr 2012 #42

I was not a host when the decision was made. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #46

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #51

LMAO trotsky Apr 2012 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Apr 2012 #49

Getting your threads confused? trotsky Apr 2012 #5

No, are you? rug Apr 2012 #6

So you think the religious display is OK then? n/t trotsky Apr 2012 #7

The article is about whether or not to put up an atheist display. rug Apr 2012 #10

If they have decided the public square is an appropriate forum for religious sentiments, trotsky Apr 2012 #13

Then consistency requires they ask for an atheist memorial in Woonsocket rather than removal. rug Apr 2012 #15

The memorial is not a public forum. trotsky Apr 2012 #16

It is a message on public property. Of course the forum standard applies. rug Apr 2012 #20

I guess it was piss-poor politics for Democrats to fight for civil rights, then, huh? trotsky Apr 2012 #22

Lol, yes this is right up there with the Selma March. rug Apr 2012 #23

It's your argument, rug. trotsky Apr 2012 #31

No, it's your hyperbole. rug Apr 2012 #34

Yes, I'm sure you find it embarrassing to have your reasoning exposed. trotsky Apr 2012 #39

Your use of smileys has absolutely devastated ny reasoning. rug Apr 2012 #44

You win, rug! trotsky Apr 2012 #47

Then you'd fit right in. nt mr blur Apr 2012 #50

No it doesn't. Here's the difference Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #17

You don't understand, GM. trotsky Apr 2012 #21

I await the next FFRF lawsuit against the U.S. Treasury. rug Apr 2012 #27

What government put up the memorial and prayer? rug Apr 2012 #24

The prayer is on the website for the firefighters. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #26

It is and existed long before the Woonsocket firefighters rug Apr 2012 #30

So a memorial for Woonsocket firefighters that died Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #35

The prayer, on the memorial, did, long before. rug Apr 2012 #41

Well the concept of the Abrahamic god existed for thousands of years Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #43

Ah, you call me a First Amendment scholar. rug Apr 2012 #45

Minor for my master's was Political Science Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #48

I'm confused. How can this organization be demanding that a memorial in cbayer Apr 2012 #8

You're missing the concept skepticscott Apr 2012 #9

Here's my take Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #12

Thank you. I didn't understand the distinction. cbayer Apr 2012 #14

Not a problem Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #18