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50. About 15 years ago, a friend attended the General Convention of the Episcopal Church

The question was ordination of GLBT persons. She noted that most of the "no" votes on the clergy side came from retired bishops and most of the "no" votes on the laity side came from older people.

The Episcopal Church has never been the province of Biblical literalists. From the beginning, the Church of England (its ancestor) was a compromise between Catholic and Protestant varieties of Christianity for the sake of national unity, and beginning in Elizabeth I's time, with few exceptions, there has generally been some latitude allowed in what you actually believe as long as you use the Book of Common Prayer in worship and recognize the church's authority structures.

Most of the parishes that are really bent out of shape about the changes leave the denomination.

My parish (which I recently found out held weddings for same-sex couples as early as 1991) is home to a lot of "refugees," either GLBT or friends and family of GLBT persons, from Roman Catholic and conservative evangelical churches.

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Where Are the Pro-LGBT Religious Voices in Mainstream Media? [View all]	cbayer	Apr 2012	OP
The anti LGBT voices are media empires in their own right.	rrneck	Apr 2012	#1
With most of the country in favor of GLBT civil rights, the anti-LGBT voices also cause	cbayer	Apr 2012	#2
Ain't it the truth.	rrneck	Apr 2012	#3
You just find it impossible to affirm something you believe in	Thats my opinion	Apr 2012	#13
Just plain wrong. And a little bit insulting.	rrneck	Apr 2012	#18
Ah what a nice anecdote. I too wish such things were more visible	dmallind	Apr 2012	#4
Looks like i underestimated the market. nt	rrneck	Apr 2012	#5
Looks like i underestimated the market.	AlbertCat	Apr 2012	#45
Old numbers, and the tide has definitely turned.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#6
As has been repeated throughout history,	trotsky	Apr 2012	#7
See #13 it applies to you too.	Thats my opinion	Apr 2012	#14
Sorry that I can't just forget history like you want to. n/t	trotsky	Apr 2012	#17
And here's the most recent that shows the effect of religiosity	dmallind	Apr 2012	#8
How is this more recent? The table I posted includes 2011 data.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#9
read the next words maybe?	dmallind	Apr 2012	#10
I did.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#11
Apparently not. "And here's the most recent THAT SHOWS THE EFFECT OF RELIGIOSITY"	dmallind	Apr 2012	#12
Perhaps they don't cover the greater support from the nonreligious because of the lack	cbayer	Apr 2012	#15
I think it would be really interesting to see a poll of organized religious observers ->	pinto	Apr 2012	#16
Absolutely. I have seen many a mind changed when someone they loved came out to them.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#19
It isn't really feasible to create a gay-positive religious movement.	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#20
This is just false.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#21
It's not that gay-positive religious organizations don't exist.	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#22
Here's one	cbayer	Apr 2012	#23
While you could argue that the scripture quote there can validate the idea of...	eqfan592	Apr 2012	#24
Yes.	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#25
I think there is a case to be made for Jesus's teachings about eunuchs.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#28
Many gay Christians disagree with your viewpoint, as do many other Christians.	kwassa	Apr 2012	#38
That kind of sums it up, though.	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#40
Nobody is stuck ever in this universe. It isn't spin, it is a change.	kwassa	Apr 2012	#41
If one were a biblical literalist, I think your point is valid.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#26
Actually, I've never seen that particular letter...	eqfan592	Apr 2012	#29
There are things in lots of books that need to be discarded as	cbayer	Apr 2012	#30
But that still doesn't fully answer my question	eqfan592	Apr 2012	#33
Who is tying themselves down to the bad?	cbayer	Apr 2012	#35
Really, though...	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#36
It may be abundantly clear to you, but it's not so for others.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#37
Fair enough.	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#39
I see the point you're getting at, but the parallel you're drawing...	eqfan592	Apr 2012	#47
n/t	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#48
Do unto others as you as you would have them do unto you.	AlbertCat	Apr 2012	#46
Pssst!	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#49
Poll Shows Many Religious Groups Support Gay Marriage (jezebel.com)	pinto	Apr 2012	#27
While the numbers are still too low, the trend appears obvious	cbayer	Apr 2012	#31
About 15 years ago, a friend attended the General Convention of the Episcopal Church	Lydia Leftcoast	Apr 2012	#50
Fantastic news.	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#32
Good point. And I'd add that secular culture has always had some influence on religions.	pinto	Apr 2012	#34
Some senior British clergy just wrote a letter to The Times, supporting gay marriage	LeftishBrit	Apr 2012	#42
Great! Thanks for bringing this here and not surprised	cbayer	Apr 2012	#43
The CONSERVATIVE party supports gay marriage there!	kwassa	Apr 2012	#44

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