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eqfan592 (5,109 posts)

24. While you could argue that the scripture quote there can validate the idea of...

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...gay rights and gay marriage, it's harder to do when there are pieces of scripture that address the issue directly, such as these:

1 Corinthians 6: 9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

So the counter argument can easily be made that "do unto others" doesn't apply to gays because of the clear scriptural anti-gay message.

Mind you, I'm not saying this to take away from those christians that support gay rights, but it does beg the question that how much of the scripture of a particular faith can you discard and still be an adherent of that faith? And I'm far from the only person asking that question, as that is one of the counter arguments (that you aren't a "real" christian) that I have seen from the fundamentalists.

EDIT: to remove a random smiley that appeared in the scripture excerpts. lol

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Where Are the Pro-LGBT Religious Voices in Mainstream Media? [View all]	cbayer	Apr 2012	OP
The anti LGBT voices are media empires in their own right.	rrneck	Apr 2012	#1
With most of the country in favor of GLBT civil rights, the anti-LGBT voices also cause	cbayer	Apr 2012	#2
Ain't it the truth.	rrneck	Apr 2012	#3
You just find it impossible to affirm something you believe in	Thats my opinion	Apr 2012	#13
Just plain wrong. And a little bit insulting.	rrneck	Apr 2012	#18
Ah what a nice anecdote. I too wish such things were more visible	dmallind	Apr 2012	#4
Looks like i underestimated the market. nt	rrneck	Apr 2012	#5
Looks like i underestimated the market.	AlbertCat	Apr 2012	#45
Old numbers, and the tide has definitely turned.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#6
As has been repeated throughout history,	trotsky	Apr 2012	#7
See #13 it applies to you too.	Thats my opinion	Apr 2012	#14
Sorry that I can't just forget history like you want to. n/t	trotsky	Apr 2012	#17
And here's the most recent that shows the effect of religiosity	dmallind	Apr 2012	#8
How is this more recent? The table I posted includes 2011 data.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#9
read the next words maybe?	dmallind	Apr 2012	#10
I did.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#11
Apparently not. "And here's the most recent THAT SHOWS THE EFFECT OF RELIGIOSITY"	dmallind	Apr 2012	#12
Perhaps they don't cover the greater support from the nonreligious because of the lack	cbayer	Apr 2012	#15
I think it would be really interesting to see a poll of organized religious observers ->	pinto	Apr 2012	#16
Absolutely. I have seen many a mind changed when someone they loved came out to them.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#19
It isn't really feasible to create a gay-positive religious movement.	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#20
This is just false.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#21
It's not that gay-positive religious organizations don't exist.	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#22
Here's one	cbayer	Apr 2012	#23
While you could argue that the scripture quote there can validate the idea of...	eqfan592	Apr 2012	#24
Yes.	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#25
I think there is a case to be made for Jesus's teachings about eunuchs.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#28
Many gay Christians disagree with your viewpoint, as do many other Christians.	kwassa	Apr 2012	#38
That kind of sums it up, though.	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#40
Nobody is stuck ever in this universe. It isn't spin, it is a change.	kwassa	Apr 2012	#41
If one were a biblical literalist, I think your point is valid.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#26
Actually, I've never seen that particular letter...	eqfan592	Apr 2012	#29
There are things in lots of books that need to be discarded as	cbayer	Apr 2012	#30
But that still doesn't fully answer my question	eqfan592	Apr 2012	#33
Who is tying themselves down to the bad?	cbayer	Apr 2012	#35
Really, though...	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#36
It may be abundantly clear to you, but it's not so for others.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#37
Fair enough.	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#39
I see the point you're getting at, but the parallel you're drawing...	eqfan592	Apr 2012	#47
n/t	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#48
Do unto others as you as you would have them do unto you.	AlbertCat	Apr 2012	#46
Pssst!	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#49
Poll Shows Many Religious Groups Support Gay Marriage (jezebel.com)	pinto	Apr 2012	#27
While the numbers are still too low, the trend appears obvious	cbayer	Apr 2012	#31
About 15 years ago, a friend attended the General Convention of the Episcopal Church	Lydia Leftcoast	Apr 2012	#50
Fantastic news.	Plantaganet	Apr 2012	#32
Good point. And I'd add that secular culture has always had some influence on religions.	pinto	Apr 2012	#34
Some senior British clergy just wrote a letter to The Times, supporting gay marriage	LeftishBrit	Apr 2012	#42
Great! Thanks for bringing this here and not surprised	cbayer	Apr 2012	#43
The CONSERVATIVE party supports gay marriage there!	kwassa	Apr 2012	#44

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