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In the discussion thread: For many, faith in God rises with age [View all]

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 12:16 PM

cbayer (120,011 posts)

74. Agree. I think that what you describe is exactly what progressive/liberal or even moderate

believers are trying to fight.

A member posted here recently that she stopped wearing her crucifix necklace because people would assume that she was a subscriber to a certain kind of christianity and would label her a bigot or worse. It's a box that is very deep and climbing out of it is not all that easy (particularly when those who are otherwise on your team seem to refuse to recognize that there are huge differences).

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101 replies	Author	Time	Post
For many, faith in God rises with age [View all]	rug	Apr 2012	OP
Big surprise that. Existential fear demands assuaging. n/t	HereSince1628	Apr 2012	#1
What do you do about existential fear?	rug	Apr 2012	#3
I can't say that I do	Warpy	Apr 2012	#19
Oh, I have something like that. I don't mean to deny the reality of existential fear.	HereSince1628	Apr 2012	#24
Admit that the fear is well founded and move on.	Deep13	Apr 2012	#27
"Looking for Loopholes"	Politicalboi	Apr 2012	#2
With all due respect. I believe in some sort of "God" or creator of life and light.	abq e streeter	Apr 2012	#4
I do respect your RIGHT to believe whatever you want.	cleanhippie	Apr 2012	#6
No they don't. The default position is respect not disrespect.	rug	Apr 2012	#10
When you start following that code, you let me know.	cleanhippie	Apr 2012	#14
You are confusing respect as a default position with earning disrespect.	rug	Apr 2012	#60
False choice, not to mention	darkstar3	Apr 2012	#16
So, is calling someone's beliefs or lack of beliefs crap disrespect or not?	cbayer	Apr 2012	#47
What about calling a group of people a bunch of dumbasses?	trotsky	Apr 2012	#51
Which beliefs?	darkstar3	Apr 2012	#56
So, if I say	cbayer	Apr 2012	#58
It is, but now you've moved the goalposts.	darkstar3	Apr 2012	#65
Your arguments are valid, but perhaps it is not necessary to split hairs about	cbayer	Apr 2012	#73
So rather than calling us disrespectful, you think you should call us indecent?	darkstar3	Apr 2012	#81
I really dislike these little pat dismissals when I am trying to make a point that I think	cbayer	Apr 2012	#82
It's called basic implication. By saying that I need to practice decency, you call me indecent.	darkstar3	Apr 2012	#83
You could take up your argument with the administrators of the site, as they have	cbayer	Apr 2012	#84
You'll notice that you're the only one here talking about "teams" or "points."	darkstar3	Apr 2012	#85
Look, darkstar. I am looking for allies, not adversaries.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#86
I don't think I've misrepresented anything, as is clear from your last paragraph.	darkstar3	Apr 2012	#87
Well, best of luck to you and yours then.	cbayer	Apr 2012	#88
I neither need nor desire allies who wish for my silence on any topic.	darkstar3	Apr 2012	#89
Somewhat so, but hardly the worst	LeftishBrit	Apr 2012	#78
No, I have precise criteria for disrespect and follow them asssiduosly.	rug	Apr 2012	#61
That's comedy.	darkstar3	Apr 2012	#62
That's science.	rug	Apr 2012	#64
I doubt it.	darkstar3	Apr 2012	#66
we also ought not disrespect w/o reason...	handmade34	Apr 2012	#12
I do have a reason.	cleanhippie	Apr 2012	#15
Maybe someday you'll be able to take those blinders off and	humblebum	Apr 2012	#32
What I don't comprehend is why you seem to think I care what you think.	cleanhippie	Apr 2012	#33
It doesn't mean it's so, either. (nt)	eqfan592	Apr 2012	#34
just because you cannot comprehend something	AlbertCat	Apr 2012	#91
In my 60 years...	handmade34	Apr 2012	#70
the truth which is unknowable	AlbertCat	Apr 2012	#92
+1	ellisonz	Apr 2012	#21
You did actually read the part in his post where he said he respected people...	eqfan592	Apr 2012	#43
Agree. I think that what you describe is exactly what progressive/liberal or even moderate	cbayer	Apr 2012	#74
Do I detect a chip on your shoulder?	longship	Apr 2012	#11
The only chip is being sick and fucking tired of the air of smug superiority that is expressed	abq e streeter	Apr 2012	#26
I think you may need to take a step back and a deep breath...(nt)	eqfan592	Apr 2012	#31
We don't claim to know what the "truth" is,	mr blur	Apr 2012	#37
This message was self-deleted by its author	abq e streeter	Apr 2012	#39
Well put. n/t	LTX	Apr 2012	#42
Thank you !	abq e streeter	Apr 2012	#50
Yes indeed. n/t	cordelia	Apr 2012	#54
smug superiority that is expressed	AlbertCat	Apr 2012	#93
I respect you, but I can't respect the belief.	Deep13	Apr 2012	#35
You are just right.	Thats my opinion	Apr 2012	#45
Thank you !	abq e streeter	Apr 2012	#48
Nobody, except abq e streeter in this very thread...	eqfan592	Apr 2012	#52
"Atheists are protected here"? This is feeble, even for you.	mr blur	Apr 2012	#53
That's been his lament ever since he couldn't force us out of this forum by appealing to the admins.	trotsky	Apr 2012	#55
No, you prefer other put downs.	darkstar3	Apr 2012	#57
No theist would use the put downs in post 2?	LeftishBrit	Apr 2012	#79
+1 nt	mr blur	Apr 2012	#80
because no theist would use the put downs in post #2	AlbertCat	Apr 2012	#94
+1	cbayer	Apr 2012	#46
Thank you !	abq e streeter	Apr 2012	#49
and have not had it "crammed down our throats".	AlbertCat	Apr 2012	#90
that and	handmade34	Apr 2012	#5
Funny thing how some 99% of those in prison also believe in a god.	cleanhippie	Apr 2012	#7
Covering their bets. n/t	Bonhomme Richard	Apr 2012	#8
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Gman	Apr 2012	#9
Yes.....	physioex	Apr 2012	#13
And yet, here YOU are.	cleanhippie	Apr 2012	#17
"Can you put that in a memo and title it 'Shit I Already Know?'"	darkstar3	Apr 2012	#18
To answer your question, you do.	rug	Apr 2012	#63
You mistake disgust at seeing this "repost" for the hundredth time for caring about the content.	darkstar3	Apr 2012	#67
You assume I give you much thought.	rug	Apr 2012	#68
I have evidence. ;)	darkstar3	Apr 2012	#69
The data does not show that people tend more to believe in God as they age	FarCenter	Apr 2012	#20
It's Demographics	robertch	Apr 2012	#22
They did ask people if their belief changed; more lost their belief than gained it	muriel_volestrangler	Apr 2012	#41
Good point	LeftishBrit	Apr 2012	#100
And for many others it does not.	MineralMan	Apr 2012	#23
Rises with Age..	On the Road	Apr 2012	#25
Exactly. This appears to be a couple of cross-sectional studies	SwissTony	Apr 2012	#44
There is eternal life, and it can be proven.	WingDinger	Apr 2012	#28
Life is much more than energy...	Silent3	Apr 2012	#30
Woo jackpot!!!	Odin2005	Apr 2012	#36
Nope, sorry.	trotsky	Apr 2012	#40
Life experience teaches one that humans are too stupid to survive without supernatural assistance.	saras	Apr 2012	#29
that humans are too stupid to survive without supernatural assistance.	AlbertCat	Apr 2012	#95
My number for a sustainable culture is 10,000 years. Less than that is temporary.	saras	Apr 2012	#98
Just another bit of proof that there's no such things as Gods	moobu2	Apr 2012	#38
There IS no proof. nt	humblebum	Apr 2012	#59
I said it was a 'bit' of proof	moobu2	Apr 2012	#71
There IS no proof. nt	humblebum	Apr 2012	#72
There never will be proof to you	moobu2	Apr 2012	#75
Nor to you. Objective, empirical proof for or against deity simply does not exist and	humblebum	Apr 2012	#76
no claims made for either are valid.	AlbertCat	Apr 2012	#96
There is not one shred of objective proof either way. Purely hypothetical.	humblebum	Apr 2012	#97
I suspect that this is not a case of people becoming more religious as they get older..	LeftishBrit	Apr 2012	#77
So does dementia.	Evoman	Apr 2012	#99
Your blood pressure slowly goes up too, up, up, up, til it reaches its goal: zero.	dimbear	Apr 2012	#101

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