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LostOne4Ever

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14. No he is not, please don't speak on behalf of me or others.
Tue Sep 29, 2015, 03:12 PM
Sep 2015

Last edited Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:53 PM - Edit history (2)

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]I will never stand with a man who said things like this:[/font]


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“At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother, and children. At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of God’s law engraved in our hearts.”

Cardinal Bergoglio continued: “Let us not be naive: this is not simply a political struggle, but it is an attempt to destroy God’s plan. It is not just a bill (a mere instrument) but a ‘move’ of the father of lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

The cardinal also noted that “today the country, in this particular situation, needs the special assistance of the Holy Spirit to bring the light of truth on to the darkness of error, it need this advocate to defend us from being enchanted by many fallacies that are tried at all costs to justify this bill and to confuse and deceive the people of good will.”

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Or this:[/font]

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“Let’s think also of genetic manipulation, of the manipulation of life, or of the gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation.”

“With this attitude, man commits a new sin, that against God the Creator.

“The true custody of creation does not have anything to do with the ideologies that consider man like an accident, like a problem to eliminate.

“God has placed man and woman and the summit of creation and has entrusted them with the earth.

“The design of the Creator is written in nature.”

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Or this:[/font]

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[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Or this:[/font]


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[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Or this from the other day[/font]

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Or his standing up for Kim Davis the other day.

But, I WILL stand up for Women & LGBTQ rights and dignity against people like the Pope; and if that makes me an left wing extremist, then I will wear that badge with pride.

I will be in good company with other left wing extremist of their time like the abolitionists, the suffragettes, the civil rights proponents, and the protesters at the stonewall riots.

Edit: adding a couple more links about the pope and Kim Davis's meeting:

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/pope-francis-visits-america/kim-davis-lawyer-claims-she-had-secret-meeting-pope-francis-n435916

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html?_r=0

Edit2: Another link I want for the future

http://time.com/3597245/vatican-evangelicals-mormons-gay-marriage/

Edit3: his who am I to judge comment in full:

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-what-pope-francis-said-about-gays[/font]

I am so inspired by this man -- and no one is more surprised than I. gateley Sep 2015 #1
Living in the thick of it in Philly PhillyGurl Sep 2015 #2
"Messages of hope"? Hope for what - tolerance? mr blur Sep 2015 #5
You sound worried. rug Sep 2015 #58
Well, it's nice to see PR is a effective misinformation tool even today. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #12
How exciting for you! gateley Oct 2015 #133
What are you most inspired by? trotsky Sep 2015 #3
Wow! Did he really say those things trotsky? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #25
Yes, he actually did. trotsky Sep 2015 #28
Don't forget "anthropological regression" in his book, before he became pope. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #36
After the red ass he's gotten on this thread, trotsky Sep 2015 #38
"After the red ass he's gotten on this thread" Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #48
YOU came out guns a-blazing... trotsky Sep 2015 #49
Thank you for telling us what he actually said. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #42
Lgbt people and women are fighting against the RCC's bigotry because our LIVES depend on it. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #44
Did I say it was a game? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #47
Like telling us we can just go to the store to by rubbers? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #50
I never made a RW talking point, my dear Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #60
You left out the bicycle. rug Sep 2015 #61
Good catch, rug! How about I post all of them again to make sure? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #149
"Us"? No, just you. trotsky Sep 2015 #46
"utterly shot down" Really? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #55
Yep, shot down. trotsky Sep 2015 #96
Where did I make excuses for anyone? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #99
LOL, you have't made excuses? As they say, denial ain't just a river in Egypt. trotsky Sep 2015 #104
I have no idea what you are talking about Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #107
No, of course you don't. trotsky Sep 2015 #108
I take it you don't want to come see for yourself, maybe help out. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #110
So, what do you consider to be the difference to be between "us" and "everyone else"? rug Sep 2015 #64
His quotes on oes points have been posted here many times Lordquinton Sep 2015 #52
"Right. Thought so. Must be tough for you right now." cleanhippie Sep 2015 #78
Oh, I see -- you really don't give a shit why he inspires me -- gateley Oct 2015 #132
No I want to know why people admire this guy. trotsky Oct 2015 #134
This message was self-deleted by its author gateley Oct 2015 #135
Haha -- I have to laugh at myself. I haven't been on DU in days and just went to respond to gateley Oct 2015 #136
OK let's look at your items one by one. trotsky Oct 2015 #137
Okay, I'm not even going to address these points individually, but I have to ask -- gateley Oct 2015 #138
You can feel whatever you want. trotsky Oct 2015 #139
You know, at this point in my life (old!) gateley Oct 2015 #140
That's great you feel good. trotsky Oct 2015 #141
And so, what are you going to do about it? gateley Oct 2015 #143
Post the facts. trotsky Oct 2015 #144
If someone is "inspired" to deny women birth control or not allow gay couples to marry, adopt, gateley Oct 2015 #145
You are putting on blinders if you don't think people are inspired to do those things. trotsky Oct 2015 #146
Nice talking to you. I especially appreciate you likening me to Republican voters. gateley Oct 2015 #147
Hey, whatever you need to say to me to make yourself feel better is fine. trotsky Oct 2015 #148
He is a true inspiration for us all, believers and non-believers. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #4
If you think LGBTQIA rights = extremism Lordquinton Sep 2015 #6
Right site, wrong group Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #20
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #26
Righteous Hide!!! LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #41
While your post will probably get hidden, it shouldn't be kdmorris Sep 2015 #43
Like comparing lgbt to people who want to marry animals, family members and inanimate objects? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #33
And I'll "tack" on my usual contribution! trotsky Sep 2015 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #37
So we should only care about LGBTQIA folks in their group? Lordquinton Sep 2015 #51
No, fight the good fight wherever Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #56
for the response: MisterP Sep 2015 #54
Thanks Mr P Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #57
it's always more HOW people say than WHAT, isn't it? MisterP Sep 2015 #59
It sure is. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #62
Yes, if we had more leaders like him skepticscott Sep 2015 #7
Yes, if we had more leaders like him AlbertCat Sep 2015 #13
I give him credit where credit is due Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #21
Actually, he has quite literally invested a lot of effort in dividing people. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #24
So, he has a different opinion from you and me about some things Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #29
Different opinion. Different opinion. Yes, I have the opinion that people should be treated like AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #30
Let me ask you something. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2015 #35
IT IS A MYSTERY AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #39
If you read my posts you'd see that I don't defend him on those isues Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #94
You defend the Catholic church a hell of a lot muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #97
Thanks for that. n/t trotsky Sep 2015 #98
And where do I defend any of those policies? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #106
The subject of that thread was the pope attacking same-sex parents muriel_volestrangler Sep 2015 #109
So, where exactly do you disagree with me? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #111
Whenever someone opens their mouth to criticize the Pope... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2015 #114
+100 skepticscott Sep 2015 #116
Excellent post. trotsky Sep 2015 #121
Tad OTT there my friend. "Whenever" is a big word. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #122
Oh, the irony skepticscott Sep 2015 #125
If you actually read my posts you would see that I do call him out Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #126
You just don't have it in you skepticscott Sep 2015 #127
For a "sciency" kinda guy, your logic is a disaster. Starboard Tack Oct 2015 #129
Thanks for proving my point for everyone to see skepticscott Oct 2015 #130
Here you go, Scottie, for you and "anyone who can read" Starboard Tack Oct 2015 #131
A uniter? Is that what you call someone skepticscott Sep 2015 #45
And if what you said were true, then I would agree with you. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #63
Glad you agree with me, then skepticscott Sep 2015 #65
OK, Scottie, let me explain this clearly for you. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #67
Those are very good questions. rug Sep 2015 #68
I still have hope for him and his buddies Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #73
I think there are many with the same experience, including me. goldent Sep 2015 #128
You are so funny skepticscott Sep 2015 #69
Now you are being silly Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #71
I can see you're blind to the irony of that skepticscott Sep 2015 #75
Yeah, I can't help but to love him kdmorris Sep 2015 #8
I'm sure he loves you too Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #22
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #31
No, we don't expect any better from him. trotsky Sep 2015 #32
Well, that's a good point kdmorris Sep 2015 #40
a tough time coming to grips with Francis. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #9
Your posts should have some sort of coded language or trigger warning. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #11
"trigger warning"? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #18
No he is not, please don't speak on behalf of me or others. LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #14
I would never, ever speak on your behalf Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #17
Just like that dreamy Ben Carson, amirite? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #15
Nope. Nothing like Ben Carson Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #16
Who was it that said they loved Ben Carson again? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #19
You are such a peach BMUS Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #23
To point out the truth, yes. AtheistCrusader Sep 2015 #27
It amazes me the numbers of people that get pissed at ya... tkmorris Sep 2015 #53
For just telling the bare-faced truth. AlbertCat Sep 2015 #118
You really just don't have a clue, do you? mr blur Sep 2015 #92
About what? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #93
Ah, yes...a true inspiration skepticscott Sep 2015 #112
I talk to bigots every day Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #113
And of course the pope tried to dissuade her skepticscott Sep 2015 #115
How are you doing on tolerance, Scottie? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #119
Nice deflection. In other words, you have no answer skepticscott Sep 2015 #120
... Lordquinton Sep 2015 #10
Thanks for linking to the full trancript. rug Sep 2015 #66
Isn't it amazing how blinded people can be by hate? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #70
Now you've done it. They'll have to make dormice badges. rug Sep 2015 #72
Oh, Jesus, Rug. Did you have to do that? Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #74
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #76
but but but I'm sure he alerted out of love Heddi Sep 2015 #77
No, I'm pretty sure it was the "Fuck you" he typed. rug Sep 2015 #79
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #80
Are you proud of mocking safe havens? rug Sep 2015 #81
I am proud Heddi Sep 2015 #82
You really are the next to the last person on this board who should speak of hypocrisy. rug Sep 2015 #83
You're cute Heddi Sep 2015 #84
You're not. rug Sep 2015 #85
Hi rug! Lordquinton Sep 2015 #86
Did Heddi say hi? rug Sep 2015 #87
She said to pass it on Lordquinton Sep 2015 #89
Ah yes, that pride thing. Tends to get in the way at times. Starboard Tack Sep 2015 #95
No, what's truly creepy is exploiting a friend's death to score points on DU. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #88
So much for the notion that being religious makes one more honest nt Rob H. Sep 2015 #90
No kidding. beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #91
He'a lawyer, which should explain it all. cleanhippie Sep 2015 #100
Ah, so there is more than one group you broad brush. rug Sep 2015 #103
So mch for the notion that atheism makes one rationaL rug Sep 2015 #102
Given the link that bmus posted to your alert Rob H. Sep 2015 #124
"Shyster" was on my word-of-the-day calandar. How apropos. cleanhippie Sep 2015 #105
Post removed Post removed Sep 2015 #101
His post may be hidden AlbertCat Sep 2015 #117
That doesn't sound like the rug I know Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #123
Adulation. LiberalAndProud Oct 2015 #142
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