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99. Horseshit

Tue Apr 10, 2012, 09:30 PM

Apr 2012

Your "questions" clearly were meant to imply that religious people were involved in the civil rights movement and that atheists were not, and that atheists are, by implication, less moral and less concerned with social justice than religionists. No one believes that you were asking those questions just for your own information, because you could have answered them on your own with a 15 second Google search.

And for you to now pretend that you knew all about him and respect him deeply is just more dishonesty.

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Religious people have been vital in positively defining the most important ethical issues [View all] Thats my opinion Apr 2012 OP

This sounds very much like men in the 60s Warpy Apr 2012 #1

But did any of the people you name make their contributions purely because they were atheists? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #5

The ones I named and others were involved in civil rightsts out of their fatih. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #10

And that means precisely dick. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #13

None of us contribute to society in the name of atheism Warpy Apr 2012 #16

My point exactly. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #20

Would you state how and where this erthical imperatrive comes form. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #100

Really? I've explained this to you more than once. laconicsax Apr 2012 #106

I haven't tama Apr 2012 #119

Can you point out any ethical or moral systems that has no connection to Leontius Apr 2012 #130

Religion tama Apr 2012 #135

Aside from secular humanism, what you ignore is that the same ethics and morals darkstar3 Apr 2012 #137

No I'm not ignoring the fact that ethics and morals are so broadly spread and Leontius Apr 2012 #138

I already did name one, but on top of that, darkstar3 Apr 2012 #139

No you did not name any ethical or moral system that has no connection to religious tradition. Leontius Apr 2012 #140

Did you perhaps miss the bulk of my post wherein I challenged you to "prove it"? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #141

Where did YOU learn the ethical imperative skepticscott Apr 2012 #129

What people I named who had no belief in God? Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #42

I think you posted in the wrong spot. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #43

This group is bombarded every day with anti-theistic posts. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #101

I meant that your reply made no sense in context. That chip on your shoulder seems to be darkstar3 Apr 2012 #108

Well you're certainly doing more than your part to bombard it with anti-atheist hatred. trotsky Apr 2012 #113

Nothing in the OP or beyond is anti-atheist hatred Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #122

You have ignored all the other facts given to you. trotsky Apr 2012 #127

More horseshit skepticscott Apr 2012 #131

Who on this list of very good people was involved in the civil rights struggle? nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #7

Aaaaaaand there go the goalposts. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #12

It's called google, and it took all of two seconds to find. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #15

LOLOL Skittles Apr 2012 #2

so, uh... what happened? why did ya'll check out of the really important good works biz? Schema Thing Apr 2012 #3

The play by play could be fun, but let's just cut straight to the heart of the matter: darkstar3 Apr 2012 #4

Simple logic. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #17

There's no logic in your OP or in that post. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #18

This time, after all thesde months, I'm asking the questions. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #32

only because you're ignoring the answers you don't like. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #34

You're asking questions for which you could have found the answer easily enough on your own. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #35

Here is your response: trotsky Apr 2012 #64

How manhy times have I lamented the dark side of what religionhas done. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #76

What it takes away is a valid criticism of your constant praise of what religion can do. trotsky Apr 2012 #78

Simple logic also dictates that without religiosu people, the civil rights movement... trotsky Apr 2012 #62

#2 Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #67

Complete horseshit EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2012 #6

I never made that accusation. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #22

Except it's not a "serious question". And you even got your answer, more than once. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #25

That's why I used the word "implication" EvolveOrConvolve Apr 2012 #30

Perhaps you just need to get over yourself - mr blur Apr 2012 #56

That's a non response if I ever saw one.nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #77

#3 Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #68

Religious people have also been at the forefront of denying equal rights Hugabear Apr 2012 #8

Of course, there are religionists whose record is abysmal. Point granted. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #24

Here ya go Hugabear Apr 2012 #40

No response, eh? Hugabear Apr 2012 #111

I thought you were taking a week break? eqfan592 Apr 2012 #9

Perfect comic, thank you for posting it. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #14

Amusing, but has nothing to do with my questions. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #29

If he did, would you bother to respond to his points, darkstar3 Apr 2012 #31

I've already posted a link that responds to both questions. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #37

How specific should we be? rrneck Apr 2012 #50

The host locked my post Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #33

And? Were you planning on posting in it again? darkstar3 Apr 2012 #36

Besides your totally false statements mzteris Apr 2012 #11

Your motives are not as important as you might think. GordonHide Apr 2012 #59

Three more examples of the influence of religion in America: dimbear Apr 2012 #19

Don't forget the leading opposition to LGBT rights Hugabear Apr 2012 #21

I know the dark side better than you do Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #38

I think no one denies the importance of religion, it's its value I question. dimbear Apr 2012 #48

Few would have had the freedom Mariana Apr 2012 #53

O the flailing that is going on here.nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #80

Says the man skepticscott Apr 2012 #81

Post 72 is a solid response to my questions. Thank you. nt/ Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #104

Come on! Saying that atheist were not involved in civil rights because they were intimidated, Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #105

Problem is that nobody actually said that except you. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #107

It certainly would be, if I had said that. Mariana Apr 2012 #115

Why do they believe it is the "right thing"? Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #102

Your last question is based on a false premise. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #103

Because most atheists I know... trotsky Apr 2012 #112

This post has meta discussion about the forum in it. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #23

Good point. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #26

I'm sure the hosts will jump right on it. n/t Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #27

But you may have to post a tribute first. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #28

That is one way of not dealing with quesions I have asked, when you all have bombarded some of us Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #39

Then edit the post to take the meta part out. Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #41

OK. Tell mewhere the meta-post is exactly. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #44

Goblinmonger told you exactly what it was Hugabear Apr 2012 #46

Oh my. When arguments fail, start flailing!.nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #82

Better than what you do when your arguments fail: start insulting. trotsky Apr 2012 #88

See that part of your OP I put in the block? Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #63

I think you might need to draw a picture Hugabear Apr 2012 #96

#4 Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #70

*You* "might be willing to come up with a deal about that one." ? mr blur Apr 2012 #79

It's fairly simple. rrneck Apr 2012 #45

"You can't claim credit for one without assuming responsibility for the other." EXACLT! eqfan592 Apr 2012 #47

Oh he grasps it all right. rrneck Apr 2012 #49

Learn to read. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #83

Could it be cause most of the ministers & theist you mentioned were also BLACK xfundy Apr 2012 #51

While many were black, many were not. nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #84

This is a particularly odious meme longship Apr 2012 #52

If you follow any liberal theist stuff you will see that we reach out time after time-- Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #85

What you often extend is not a hand, but a cross to hold. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #87

I nor anyone else here offered you a cross to hold. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #123

So, metaphor only works if it's convenient for you. How typical. darkstar3 Apr 2012 #136

Perhaps that's because all you seem to have to offer mr blur Apr 2012 #89

Never said nor implied that atheists were immoral or amoral. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #109

And. We. Answered. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #110

They were right in the group doing the same things. trotsky Apr 2012 #114

I never said "only" NEVER! Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #124

You refuse to grasp the key item here: trotsky Apr 2012 #126

They were on the front lines rrneck Apr 2012 #132

Arrgghh! intaglio Apr 2012 #54

your second paragraph assumes you know our motivation, Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #86

The statistics longship Apr 2012 #55

You do not have to be religious to be moral. Whoever said otherwise. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #90

Given the incredible blindness regarding this thread that you display here, darkstar3 Apr 2012 #94

Oh, you know all about him? skepticscott Apr 2012 #98

"Randolph was raised and got his ethics in a CME church where his father was the pastor." trotsky Apr 2012 #117

Religion has not been good for civil rights. GordonHide Apr 2012 #57

"Far better to do what's right, whatever you're told,..." mr blur Apr 2012 #58

Flail away Blur. It is easier than coming to terms with what hss been said. nt Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #91

Obvious to any reader of this thread that you're the one who has trouble coming to terms with mr blur Apr 2012 #128

Just another ridiculous attempt skepticscott Apr 2012 #60

"Without religious groups and persons there would have been no civil rights movement." trotsky Apr 2012 #61

To have pulled religious people out of he civil rights movement would have guted it. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #92

Prove it. trotsky Apr 2012 #97

Then certainly you can link to some of those scholarly reviews Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #118

Religious leadere are trained to motivate people. rrneck Apr 2012 #121

Let's end with human reproductive health care, sexual orientation and human rights, and Warren Stupidity Apr 2012 #65

Great points! In the last 30 years, most of what we have seen from SamG Apr 2012 #71

if you insert the word,"some" you have a point--although Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #93

#1 Goblinmonger Apr 2012 #66

Let's say that original statement again substituting the word "straight" instead of SamG Apr 2012 #69

Well, here's an answer to your "Gotcha" question: mr blur Apr 2012 #72

Don't expect a response.... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #73

The OP has had every point they tried to make skepticscott Apr 2012 #74

Took long enough, nt rrneck Apr 2012 #75

Thank you. i never said atheists were not involved. I just asked for some names. Thats my opinion Apr 2012 #95

Horseshit skepticscott Apr 2012 #99

Really? I gave you a name in post #53. Mariana Apr 2012 #116

So without religion these people would not Angry Dragon Apr 2012 #120

I think it's clear what the subtext is here. trotsky Apr 2012 #125

Why are you asking this question? nt rrneck Apr 2012 #133

Do you think women's suffrage was an important ethical issue to face the country? trotsky Apr 2012 #134