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Leontius

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69. gotcha, my side good , their side bad.

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Wed Mar 21, 2012, 07:19 PM

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I prefer to be uncompromising than spineless... [View all] Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 OP

I Feel The Same Way TheMastersNemesis Mar 2012 #1

I feel the same way tama Mar 2012 #4

Yep. I was going to say the same thing. cbayer Mar 2012 #25

Actually, the first post is a criticism of behavior and beliefs, not bigotry... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #43

Humanist_Activist tama Mar 2012 #53

Look, I understand that your cognitive processes are hampered by a lack of exercise... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #106

I happen to think that the atheist POV is purposefully and extremely narrow-focused and humblebum Mar 2012 #118

Never said they were, and that narrow focus and narrow-mindedness is asking for evidence... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #132

You might want to be a bit more specific. Or is that a stock retort? nt humblebum Mar 2012 #134

Seemed specific enough to me. (nt) eqfan592 Mar 2012 #137

It was very specific. You must be using your own definition for that word if you think otherwise. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #138

Organized Skepticism is a fraud. AlbertCat Mar 2012 #110

No promises? ;) tama Mar 2012 #125

No promises? ;) AlbertCat Mar 2012 #127

Peace of mind tama Mar 2012 #128

You're obviously confused. eqfan592 Mar 2012 #139

So much for a way to squelch an honest conversation-- Thats my opinion Mar 2012 #49

Religion is all about "an honest conversation"?! mr blur Mar 2012 #117

Well, there's a silly, artificial dichotomy. rug Mar 2012 #2

Well, you would say that considering your apologism of the... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #24

Assuming that to be true, and only assuming, it does not make your dichotomy any less silly. rug Mar 2012 #26

There aren't many people on this board who want to compromise when it comes to... trotsky Mar 2012 #3

fundie militant statists tama Mar 2012 #5

Damn, do you have authority issues Silent3 Mar 2012 #9

I just tama Mar 2012 #11

No,you are taking a quote, that may or may not be accurate, out of context to reinforce... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #23

So Wheeler is "just new age bullshit" tama Mar 2012 #30

Yes, if he follows what you believe... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #31

Newton the alchemist tama Mar 2012 #47

Not only wrong skepticscott Mar 2012 #64

What is wrong? tama Mar 2012 #68

I feel exactly the same mr blur Mar 2012 #6

I would avoid the "fuck off" approach... Silent3 Mar 2012 #8

+100. I agree. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #105

It's not about treating religion with respect. Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #104

Why, exactly, am I expected to tolerate delusion and wilful ignorance disguised as "faith"? AlbertCat Mar 2012 #111

I think the compromise many believers want... Silent3 Mar 2012 #7

Quantum tama Mar 2012 #10

That Wheeler quote... Silent3 Mar 2012 #12

It is a conclusion tama Mar 2012 #19

A speculative conclusion, an extrapolation... Silent3 Mar 2012 #50

What ever tama Mar 2012 #52

So when evidence fails you, and speculation is revealed to be just that... Silent3 Mar 2012 #54

A speculative conclusion, an extrapolation... AlbertCat Mar 2012 #114

I tried searching for it, and only found it, not in exact words, here: Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #22

Thanks tama Mar 2012 #32

Not necessarily, I'm calling people's ignorant use of him as an authority on this... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #34

Then tama Mar 2012 #41

What evidence? n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #44

Wheeler's Classic Delayed Choice Experiment tama Mar 2012 #46

First off, its still hasn't had extensive testing yet,it doesn't "prove" anything... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #133

I agree tama Mar 2012 #135

It's been tested sufficiently, there was never much real doubt about it bananas Mar 2012 #144

Wellll... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #13

If you believe tama Mar 2012 #16

Actually, he's mostly wrong, its mostly predictible, mostly linear, and Einstenian... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #35

That's what I'm saying... except... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #55

teleology tama Mar 2012 #39

I can think of one... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #56

I agree tama Mar 2012 #63

Wellll... again.... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #81

(Yet another way to look at (rather... "hear") it.) Joseph8th Mar 2012 #82

If tama Mar 2012 #87

Couple thangs... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #108

Consciousness, sensory perceptions, etc. mental phenomena tama Mar 2012 #112

Is Wheeler equivocating on the word "physics"? Jim__ Mar 2012 #14

From the book tama Mar 2012 #17

Does Davies give the context of the quote? Jim__ Mar 2012 #18

The context tama Mar 2012 #21

I don't believe this explanation of the experiment involves circular causation. Jim__ Mar 2012 #42

"Decoherence" tama Mar 2012 #51

In QM decoherence is... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #57

I agree tama Mar 2012 #70

You're badly misrepresenting Paul Davies, and... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #83

Causality tama Mar 2012 #88

I agree with post #57 about decoherence. Jim__ Mar 2012 #59

From the link: tama Mar 2012 #65

Noooo.... nothing to do with Minkowski diagrams at all... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #84

I said Minkowski spacetime tama Mar 2012 #89

Also... we aren't talking about the same 'decoherence' at all. Not even sort of. nt Joseph8th Mar 2012 #85

Some thoughts on the signature under Minkowski spacetime. Jim__ Mar 2012 #129

It answers the question tama Mar 2012 #130

What is it that you don't understand? Jim__ Mar 2012 #131

Thanks tama Mar 2012 #140

There are a number of different concepts involved. Jim__ Mar 2012 #141

That'd be the one, Jim #59. nt Joseph8th Mar 2012 #86

Except,... that these particular mere matters of taste must also be taken as vitally important AlbertCat Mar 2012 #113

What are the chances? Joseph8th Mar 2012 #15

"... what the hell is a compromising atheist?" Jim__ Mar 2012 #20

Compromise on what? Separation of Church and State, LGBT rights, Women's rights and health care? Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #29

We compromise on all of the issues you just listed all the time. Jim__ Mar 2012 #37

Sorry I wasn't clear, I meant women's access to health care, BC and EC in particular, but also... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #38

Did progressives refuse to vote before Griswold v Connecticut and Roe v Wade? Jim__ Mar 2012 #40

There's a difference between accepting political reality and being accepting of the beliefs... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #45

It also appears that you would rather be uncompromising than gracious, cbayer Mar 2012 #27

I do not tolerate the intolerant, I do not kowtow to the foolish, if that makes me unreasonable... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #28

Then why should tama Mar 2012 #33

I don't expect tolerance of my beliefs in return, that's foolish. Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #36

Years ago some of our family group (7 bedroom house, some family, some friends in residence) pinto Mar 2012 #48

From a thread in GD Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #58

Good find and prescient words. cbayer Mar 2012 #60

From your citation: Politics and government demand compromise. Jim__ Mar 2012 #61

From my citation: Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #62

So is it your point of view that only uncompromising Christians are the problem? Leontius Mar 2012 #66

It is my point of view that Goldwater, Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #67

gotcha, my side good , their side bad. Leontius Mar 2012 #69

Get back to me when Dawkins, or any other outspoken atheist... 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #71

Technocratic tama Mar 2012 #72

LOL 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #75

Anyone who thinks that scientific scepticism is 'the propagand arm for materialist technocracy' is LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #136

Science I view as a mental tool to help discover the world, it therefore helps in development of... Humanist_Activist Mar 2012 #143

Another day another argument but if you want to give an opinion on what was actually being Leontius Mar 2012 #73

You said something. I chose to give an opinion on it. Don't like it? Tough. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #74

So either you don't understand what was being discussed or you don't Leontius Mar 2012 #76

You have no answer to what I said, so you complain that I talked about a post of yours 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #77

No you don't seem to understand what my post was about or have nothing to add to Leontius Mar 2012 #78

You are the one who responded with an asinine comment. cleanhippie Mar 2012 #101

So the topic is religion in politics. Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #94

Gee I hate false equivalences. Leontius Mar 2012 #103

Are you on the side of Santorum and his ilk? cleanhippie Mar 2012 #100

Yes, but the problem is not that they are Christians, but that they won't compromise. Jim__ Mar 2012 #79

OK, let's play this game. trotsky Mar 2012 #90

Asked and answered. See posts #37 and 40. Jim__ Mar 2012 #91

Nope, that's a totally different issue. trotsky Mar 2012 #92

Post #40 has nothing to do with health care. Jim__ Mar 2012 #93

Yet it doesn't answer my question, either. trotsky Mar 2012 #95

Actually it does answer your question. Jim__ Mar 2012 #97

OK, I'll put you down for "willing to compromise on women's rights." trotsky Mar 2012 #98

Put yourself down as willing to compromise on women's rights - because you're nothing but talk. Jim__ Mar 2012 #99

LOL trotsky Mar 2012 #102

Actually, I think it takes a lot more spine to be reasonable than to be uncompromising. cbayer Mar 2012 #80

Again, this is said from a position of privilege Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #96

There Is Only One God tama Mar 2012 #107

There Is Only One God... and his name is Ponzi AlbertCat Mar 2012 #115

In my country tama Mar 2012 #123

I don't even know what you are getting at. Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #120

Perhaps because tama Mar 2012 #121

Well, since we're getting sassy Goblinmonger Mar 2012 #122

Money is evil tama Mar 2012 #124

You can try to harp on it all you want. trotsky Mar 2012 #119

Isn't the idea tama Mar 2012 #126

Before the crucifixion, did Jesus start a Ponzi scheme? Boojatta Mar 2012 #109

Before the crucifixion, did Jesus start a Ponzi scheme? AlbertCat Mar 2012 #116

k/r deacon_sephiroth Mar 2012 #142