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el_bryanto

(11,804 posts) Mon Mar 24, 2014, 03:10 PM Mar 2014

What do DU Atheists want of DU believers? [View all]

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There are a few political issues of disagreement (mainly Tax Exempt Status for Churches), but other than that what issues do Atheists care about that we could support them in?

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What do DU Atheists want of DU believers? [View all] el_bryanto Mar 2014 OP

Cash. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #1

that works. Plus I could use some yard work. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #15

I don't think anyone cares if you stop your practice of religion 2pooped2pop Mar 2014 #2

In general or specifically here in a forum designed to talk about religion? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #3

In general 2pooped2pop Mar 2014 #4

Well it depends on the issue I suppose el_bryanto Mar 2014 #13

u r right. I would agree with your statement 2pooped2pop Mar 2014 #17

Believe that all you want. Don't codify it into law, because there are other Christians who disagree Heddi Mar 2014 #71

+1. Nt PassingFair Mar 2014 #99

You sir can have all my Internets. Alittleliberal Mar 2014 #102

well said. eom ellenfl Mar 2014 #133

... trotsky Mar 2014 #151

"Keep religion ...out of my face" demwing Mar 2014 #158

Oh, snap! trotsky Mar 2014 #166

I wonder about that also goldent Mar 2014 #191

anti-theist here! Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #159

Your post made me think a lot AleksS Mar 2014 #103

I do more or less agree with you on this - particularly when it comes to el_bryanto Mar 2014 #104

I'm a utilitarian/end state guy qazplm Mar 2014 #205

Agree with you. Well said. cbayer Mar 2014 #207

The fatal flaw in your position, of course, trotsky Mar 2014 #214

That's why there might be personal motivations for political action el_bryanto Mar 2014 #217

Oh, we agree they shouldn't... trotsky Mar 2014 #218

I should be clear i suppose el_bryanto Mar 2014 #219

Which is the big problem skepticscott Mar 2014 #220

If you could take two different drugs skepticscott Mar 2014 #216

In general, who are the "we" that you speak for? /nt demwing Mar 2014 #134

me and judging from this post, a lot of others feel the same way 2pooped2pop Mar 2014 #145

I thought we were speaking in generalities demwing Mar 2014 #152

????? 2pooped2pop Mar 2014 #155

It's very pertinent demwing Mar 2014 #164

I am speaking for myself and my spouse that makes a we and you are nitpicking 2pooped2pop Mar 2014 #170

Funny matt819 Mar 2014 #177

that's what I think about believers 2pooped2pop Mar 2014 #178

Feel free to practice your religion privately, on in discussion forums intended for that purpose. Scuba Mar 2014 #5

Ok - do you feel that DU Believers have a habit of jamming their religion into politics? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #6

No, I don't think DUers are often "jamming religion into politics" but do often react .... Scuba Mar 2014 #7

In other words, a story will come out about someone jamming religion into politics el_bryanto Mar 2014 #9

The issue is Republicans jamming their religion into politics and government. longship Mar 2014 #8

Thank you for clarifying the issue.. whathehell Mar 2014 #59

I am glad that Pastors discuss politics and I will tell you why yeoman6987 Mar 2014 #52

Do you have statistics on a big majority of churches being Democratic? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #54

Link below. yeoman6987 Mar 2014 #61

This atheist DUer doesn't give a rat's ass what religion people want to believe. arcane1 Mar 2014 #10

Thank you for responding. I'm not sure what one would do with a rat's ass anyway. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #11

Animal sacrifices to a Cat god, I suppose. arcane1 Mar 2014 #12

All cats are gods. Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #27

Our cats catch and eat rats and mice TexasProgresive Mar 2014 #43

Hmm... perhaps the expression should be "I don't leave a rat's ass"? arcane1 Mar 2014 #44

Just has a thought TexasProgresive Mar 2014 #48

LMAO I would put nothing past them arcane1 Mar 2014 #51

Don't confuse a forceful intellectual discussion edhopper Mar 2014 #14

Thank you for that thoughtful response el_bryanto Mar 2014 #19

I might be mistaken edhopper Mar 2014 #23

Help us to end religion-related deaths Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #37

What steps should I do to accomplish that? nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #38

How about gay rights, women's right to control their own bodies, believing that sinkingfeeling Mar 2014 #16

That's a beauty you made there Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #18

I'm serious - but I guess I understand where you are coming from. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #20

"Other than stopping our practice of religion" Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #24

OK Changed it. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #25

Appreciate that. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #29

I guess i should have read that - one of my favorite books is The Godless Constitution el_bryanto Mar 2014 #32

The Godless Constitution is a great read. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #42

Define 'public sphere'. Leontius Mar 2014 #87

government Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #97

Well McDonald's is public my kitchen is private neither one is government Leontius Mar 2014 #114

McDonald's and the malls are private property Mariana Mar 2014 #117

I just want to point out el_bryanto Mar 2014 #187

Why do you think atheists want support from the religious sector? procon Mar 2014 #21

This is a DU Religion forum el_bryanto Mar 2014 #22

On that question edhopper Mar 2014 #28

I would 100% agree with that. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #33

Tolerance. Iggo Mar 2014 #26

And in what ways are DU Believers Intolerant? Or how could we be more tolerant? nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #31

Huh? Iggo Mar 2014 #41

Ah - sorry about that. I misread where the joke was. NT el_bryanto Mar 2014 #45

Not putting words in our mouths would be a start. Warpy Mar 2014 #30

That last bit is hard to respond to in a way - just because what triggered this el_bryanto Mar 2014 #34

I wouldn't put DU believers into the "kill all unbelievers" category Warpy Mar 2014 #35

I went and read that particular exchange edhopper Mar 2014 #46

Except that the argument being advanced in that post is that beliving in spirits (demons and angels) el_bryanto Mar 2014 #49

Believing in demons that possess people, including some mentally ill people skepticscott Mar 2014 #56

I wonder who you could be referring to here, but I was more interested in what Edhopper has to say el_bryanto Mar 2014 #58

You asked a question, didn't you? skepticscott Mar 2014 #65

So if one believes in one supernatural being, it follows that one believes in them all el_bryanto Mar 2014 #68

It would be, if that was what I'd said, or even implied. skepticscott Mar 2014 #94

Thank you. phil89 Mar 2014 #202

I want them to be rational in all parts of their lives/beliefs and not be part of an oppressive phil89 Mar 2014 #203

"Shintoist or Hindu more ludicrous than a Christian "? Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #63

No I would not say that. And was responding to the larger question of demons. edhopper Mar 2014 #66

Why should they expect - or receive - anything different from any other DU member? rug Mar 2014 #36

Everybody has to figure out what works best for them el_bryanto Mar 2014 #39

You are assume good motives and an openness to ideas. rug Mar 2014 #40

If you don't assume that - in general I mean - why bother posting here? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #81

I'm driven by the evidence. For the rest, I do. rug Mar 2014 #83

I'm not an atheist and I refuse to take up this question TexasProgresive Mar 2014 #47

It does happen on occasion. I've had a post locked, but in fairness I did call a name, so it was el_bryanto Mar 2014 #50

You've never seen it, so it doesn't happen. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #53

lolz +1 JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #106

There have been atheists who have had posts locked here. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #60

Yeah, me as well TexasProgresive Mar 2014 #62

Honoring the 11th commandment. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #55

Opposition to the Religous Right, basically LeftishBrit Mar 2014 #57

I like respect and not to be told I believe in a fairytale. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #64

The first has to be earned, the second you're stuck with. mr blur Mar 2014 #67

No I don't feel persecuted and if you read my posts here you would know I don't think believers are hrmjustin Mar 2014 #69

Respect is a given. Disrespect is what's earned, as that post once again demonstrates. rug Mar 2014 #75

Absolutely wrong, as usual. But you're amusing, as usual. Sadly, no-one cares what you think. mr blur Mar 2014 #88

That was, as usual, pointless. Thanks again for demonstrating how accurate that post was. rug Mar 2014 #89

Do you ever have a kind word to say to anyone here? cbayer Mar 2014 #77

He's said plenty of kind words to plenty of people Heddi Mar 2014 #79

when did you start identifying as an Atheist? Since this is a question directed towards Atheists.... Heddi Mar 2014 #70

Thank you Heddi but I don't need your permission to post here. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #72

No, you don't, but I'm just taking cues from you Heddi Mar 2014 #73

Well you can always post it. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #74

I'm glad you enjoyed them Heddi Mar 2014 #78

My mistake for thinking that you were going to be polite. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #80

Who's not being polite?? Heddi Mar 2014 #82

Calling me Gomer Pyle in the AA room was an insult. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #84

well we can't point to the insulting things you said because you self-deleted Heddi Mar 2014 #85

What did I say thst was nasty to you? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #86

Too bad for you that this is an open group. It changes one's view of relevance. rug Mar 2014 #76

I want believers to eventually be convinced... MellowDem Mar 2014 #90

I understand that - and i appreciate your willingness to own your anti-theism el_bryanto Mar 2014 #105

That's all I want on the religion forum... MellowDem Mar 2014 #118

That's fair enough - it does seem though that our conversations would serve no purpose el_bryanto Mar 2014 #119

If a person comes to a discussion forum... MellowDem Mar 2014 #121

I would change my mind on plenty of issues, just not this one. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #124

It's not disdain to point out a close minded position... MellowDem Mar 2014 #141

AH - I should clarify - by disdain I didn't mean you and I shouldn't have mentioned it there. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #143

Personal experiences being interpreted to be god... MellowDem Mar 2014 #146

I doubt that discussion could convince me - el_bryanto Mar 2014 #147

So whatever your experience was... MellowDem Mar 2014 #163

In my opinion yes. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #167

I think it's a lot less likely based on the evidence we have... MellowDem Mar 2014 #180

I suppose that would be the context of the experience el_bryanto Mar 2014 #181

Which is where confirmation bias comes in... MellowDem Mar 2014 #182

Well another possiblity is that God is much larger than we are and we only really get a glimpse of el_bryanto Mar 2014 #183

That's another possibility... MellowDem Mar 2014 #184

Either hypothesis is difficult to prove el_bryanto Mar 2014 #186

Do you have the intent to never change your mind no matter what? rug Mar 2014 #148

No, if someone provides good evidence of god... MellowDem Mar 2014 #162

Your assertions go way, way beyond that. rug Mar 2014 #175

No they don't... MellowDem Mar 2014 #179

What about Ayn Rand devotees and other conservative atheists? Htom Sirveaux Mar 2014 #120

No... MellowDem Mar 2014 #122

Are you planning to use all that evidence and logic to Htom Sirveaux Mar 2014 #123

Yes actually... MellowDem Mar 2014 #142

What's the argument for tax exempt status Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #91

Me? LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #92

Stop lending legitimacy skepticscott Mar 2014 #93

How would I continue to be a religious person under those constraints? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #96

You noticed that too. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #98

honestly, you can't. Religiousness is, in my opinion, either a thoughtless or dishonest position. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #107

Is it fair to infer from that that you believe that religious people are either thoughtless el_bryanto Mar 2014 #108

no that is exactly what I said. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #110

Thank you - you'll understand if I don't agree with that assessment el_bryanto Mar 2014 #111

I consider self-deception a form of dishonesty. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #112

And again, I hope you'll understand if I disagree with that assessment. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #113

sure, go ahead live an unexamined life. It's your life. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #125

I'm not living an unexamined life. I've examined it plenty. I just haven't come to the same el_bryanto Mar 2014 #126

That's a pretty silly statement qazplm Mar 2014 #206

By thoughtless I mean "unconsidered" or Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #209

your guess is likely wrong qazplm Mar 2014 #210

Yeah, you are missing the part where I said that unexamined religiousity was unique. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #211

that's my point qazplm Mar 2014 #212

I said their religiousity was thoughtless. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #213

yeah, no qazplm Mar 2014 #215

Oh! Well thanks for your honest opinion. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #109

Does one HAVE to believe in things in the absence of evidence skepticscott Mar 2014 #116

In order for me to continue being religious I have to believe in a supernatural or spirtual world el_bryanto Mar 2014 #137

I'm curious: where do you draw the line on believing in a spiritual world? stopbush Mar 2014 #157

Hmmmmm el_bryanto Mar 2014 #161

In the first place, supernatural and "spiritual" skepticscott Mar 2014 #185

I really must get under your skin to get this kind of constant reaction el_bryanto Mar 2014 #188

And yet again, you make things up about what I said. skepticscott Mar 2014 #189

I don't feel like I made up anything. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #190

Try again skepticscott Mar 2014 #192

If you don't understand what's unreasonable about "You need to stop believing in a literal God" el_bryanto Mar 2014 #193

Oh, the, I'm right, and you just don't get it, tactic? skepticscott Mar 2014 #195

Except that anybody with reading comprehension can read up and see that's exactly what you asked el_bryanto Mar 2014 #196

Oh for pity's sake skepticscott Mar 2014 #198

At any rate I'm taking a drastic step and putting you on ignore el_bryanto Mar 2014 #197

So was that too challenging a question? skepticscott Mar 2014 #136

I think that many people on this website , both religious and atheist, do take me seriously. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #138

Which is still not an answer skepticscott Mar 2014 #139

I did respond above. #137. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #140

Hmmm, what do I want, uriel1972 Mar 2014 #95

Answers. They won't even tell me what they believe in, when I ask. Manifestor_of_Light Mar 2014 #100

I will answer your questions as best I can. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #101

I think we'd all like respect - that is what it comes down to goldent Mar 2014 #129

I suppose more specifically what I want is exactly what I want of other atheists; people with varied LeftishBrit Mar 2014 #115

I'm thinking that most people here like an argument better than cooperation Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #127

This refers to the exorcism issues that have been brought up? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #128

Of course they do skepticscott Mar 2014 #135

Or take a take a break from here to bash believers in a safe haven. rug Mar 2014 #149

I have had a few interesting discussions with other DU members Peacetrain Mar 2014 #130

I think the vast majority of DU atheists want the same thing the vast majority of DU believers want. cbayer Mar 2014 #131

You never seem to take your own advice skepticscott Mar 2014 #132

These are the things I'd like from DU Believers and Supporters of Religion Heddi Mar 2014 #144

You make excellent points top to bottom, Heddi. trotsky Mar 2014 #150

Strawman. rug Mar 2014 #154

Thank you for responding so thoroughly. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #165

I want believers to Defend Christ from the abuses of the evangelicals. peacebird Mar 2014 #153

Yes, but you realize that the evangelicals believe they are... trotsky Mar 2014 #160

Quite honestly, it would be nice if the Xians around here became more familiar with the Bible stopbush Mar 2014 #156

Oh, hogwash. You see it as a gun fight? That explains a lot cbayer Mar 2014 #168

Actually, cbayer... trotsky Mar 2014 #169

And here I thought you were done with me. stopbush Mar 2014 #171

Lol. I was done with you yesterday when you started personally attacking me. cbayer Mar 2014 #172

If I have ever personally attacked you, I apologize. stopbush Mar 2014 #173

I'll let you know if it happens again. cbayer Mar 2014 #174

It's more like bringing a thought to a spitting contest. rug Mar 2014 #176

Your response seems most consistent with what I see in this Forum goldent Mar 2014 #194

Bother? No, we just find hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance amusing skepticscott Mar 2014 #199

I really don't care if your beliefs are consistent with the Bible or Catholic dogma. stopbush Mar 2014 #200

Oh, they have a clue. They've just picked different cherries than you have, cbayer Mar 2014 #208

nothing nt Deep13 Mar 2014 #201

nothing. nt DesertFlower Mar 2014 #204