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cbayer

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Tue Feb 25, 2014, 11:21 AM Feb 2014

5 reasons atheists shouldn’t call religion a mental illness [View all]

http://chrisstedman.religionnews.com/2014/02/24/5-reasons-atheists-shouldnt-call-religion-mental-illness/

Chris Stedman | Feb 24, 2014
Chris Stedman is the Assistant Humanist Chaplain at Harvard University, Coordinator of Humanist Life for the Yale Humanist Community, and author of Faitheist: How an Atheist Found Common Ground with the Religious.

A few days ago, in a post on faith healing, American Atheists president Dave Silverman wrote: “We must recognize religion as brainwashing. We must recognize the (hyper) religious as mentally damaged.”

He’s not the first to equate religion with mental illness or “mental damage.” Bill Maher has called religion “a neurological disorder.” Sam Harris wrote in The End of Faith, “it is difficult to imagine a set of beliefs more suggestive of mental illness than those that lie at the heart of many of our religious traditions.” Facebook groups claiming religion is a “mental disorder” or “mental disease” boast hundreds of members, and a list of “7 reasons why religion is a form of mental illness” has been shared on a number of atheist blogs.

It seems clear to me that religion isn’t a form of mental illness, and that calling it one reflects a shallow understanding of both mental illness and religion—or, worse still, a knowing attempt to use mental illness as an insult.

While this discussion is worthy of lengthy consideration, I consulted with two atheist activists and compiled five reasons atheists should avoid this problematic parallel:

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as a jewish atheist, i disagree with their definition. belief in supernatural isn't necessary. unblock Feb 2014 #1
Even if one's religion includes the belief in something supernatural, cbayer Feb 2014 #4
i agree it's nothing but insulting. but i don't buy the well-being part of the defense unblock Feb 2014 #7
I agree with you unblock. cbayer Feb 2014 #9
At the least it is a puzzling mental condition randr Feb 2014 #2
I think "mental condition" could be interpreted as "disorder". cbayer Feb 2014 #3
In many ways religion and science gwheezie Feb 2014 #5
The lack of imagination is an interesting quandary. cbayer Feb 2014 #6
Even the most highly-evolved religion seems all too primitive: spirituality=belief in spirits Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #60
You could call that primitive or you could call that enlightened. cbayer Feb 2014 #63
Allegorical stories Goblinmonger Feb 2014 #64
Allegories do not all require "spirits," or ghosts, etc. But Biblical allegories often have these. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #69
Would you accept 'socially transmitted disease'? AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #13
Would you accept that is an ignorant statement? rug Feb 2014 #16
I guess that you don't agree with the author of this article, then. cbayer Feb 2014 #17
Well, not having an imaginary friend is actually the default position. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #18
Again you make statements which are both inflammatory and not supported by any data. cbayer Feb 2014 #22
If people are born with a belief in a diety Goblinmonger Feb 2014 #24
Oh, so people are born with an idea of a deity? AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #27
So people are born without any concept of a deity? cbayer Feb 2014 #30
I cannot find a single person who was born believing in AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #31
How exactly would you ask that question? cbayer Feb 2014 #34
I didn't say believing there is no deity is the default. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #41
I am neither unable to grasp what you are saying or intentionally deceptive. cbayer Feb 2014 #44
Then what you just said about Gravity is equally without basis. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #45
My goodness. Caps, profanity and bolding? You are getting pretty worked up here. cbayer Feb 2014 #47
I get pretty annoyed when people twist my words, and repeat the same thing over and over. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #49
That's as close as you will get to her admitting defeat. trotsky Feb 2014 #84
To some extent, culture - and as my old buddy Burroughs used to say, language - IS like a "virus" Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #58
A quote trotsky Feb 2014 #8
What connections? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #35
What difference does the hair dryer make? n/t trotsky Feb 2014 #38
Pardon? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #39
Read the quote in my post that you initially replied to. n/t trotsky Feb 2014 #42
Saying one is in dialog eith God does not mean that there is a booming voice from the sky. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #43
That would really help the credibility along though. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #46
Personally when I pray I feel close to God and I feel in dialog with God. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #48
That is, in my experience the more common claim. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #52
Says you. Other people believe differently. trotsky Feb 2014 #50
People who disagree with me are not mentally ill. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #51
Why would they need help from a doctor? trotsky Feb 2014 #53
Hearing voices is usually not a good sign. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #54
Not a good sign of what? n/t trotsky Feb 2014 #55
Unsually a mental issue. When believers say they hear the voice of God most don't hrmjustin Feb 2014 #56
But some do claim that. trotsky Feb 2014 #82
God does not physically talk to people. my reaction would be go see a doctor. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #87
Okey doke. trotsky Feb 2014 #89
I am not getting involved with your war with her. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #90
As I have told you before, I have no war with her. trotsky Feb 2014 #92
I'm curious how you know that. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #91
I take ut this way. if there is a God or Gods and they choose to communicate hrmjustin Feb 2014 #93
Fair enough. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #95
Your welcome. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #99
You might be getting tripped up on the word physical el_bryanto Feb 2014 #109
Interesting points hrmjustin Feb 2014 #110
I think that it's pretty damned clear that it isn't a mental disorder. longship Feb 2014 #10
The counter apocalypse! I like that. cbayer Feb 2014 #12
No, it's a long running gag between the four of them. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #14
Not my terminology. longship Feb 2014 #19
Self-effacing is not a term I would generally associate with this group, lol. cbayer Feb 2014 #23
If we look at religion through an evolutionary lens, we can understand why it's still around. cheyanne Feb 2014 #11
Welcome to the religion group, cheyanne. cbayer Feb 2014 #15
Thank you. cheyanne Feb 2014 #36
While religion has always played a critical role in politics, cbayer Feb 2014 #40
That's consistent with Buddhism as a non-theistic 'religion'. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #20
As to why these needs have lasted: cheyanne Feb 2014 #33
Ah, I was using the supernatural transcendence meaning. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #37
Yeah, transcendence has come down in the world, now it only cheyanne Feb 2014 #62
Definitely a good synopsis. longship Feb 2014 #21
"if a religious belief is proved wrong, then (religion) should change to accept it." trotsky Feb 2014 #25
That's a big part of why Buddhism as a Religion is a grey area. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #28
Agreed. trotsky Feb 2014 #29
Yes, I think religion still uses cohesiveness, using hate and fear cheyanne Feb 2014 #68
If someone believes that homosexuality is sinful, you bet I'm going to disparage that belief. trotsky Feb 2014 #83
no, not sorry, please cheyanne Feb 2014 #94
But you just said we shouldn't disparage anyone else's beliefs. trotsky Feb 2014 #96
I like the overall common sense approach of this. pinto Feb 2014 #26
I agree. It's really a weak argument whenever it is made and similar, imo, cbayer Feb 2014 #32
The author Chris Steadman apparently calls himself a "faithiest"; likely he is not an atheist Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #57
He is a faitheist like a man can be a feminist. cbayer Feb 2014 #65
Great article! Jim__ Feb 2014 #59
Agree. I have been making this point for awhile, but he did it so much better than cbayer Feb 2014 #66
of course that is your rewording of the claim made here that some religious beliefs are delusional. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #106
It's true the religious are not necessarily mentally ill rock Feb 2014 #61
So, it's your position that all people of faith are fools? cbayer Feb 2014 #67
The Bible told us that one "day," we will find that our highest holy men, noble people, were "fools" Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #70
The bible makes lots of mistakes. cbayer Feb 2014 #71
Those who "walk by faith" are "far" or "away from God" (2 Corin. 5.7) Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #74
Knowing that one might be foolish at times is a very positive trait, but not at all cbayer Feb 2014 #78
Or: "All have sinned" (Rom. 3.23?) probably implied that all of us have foolish delusions Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #97
You are equating having sinned with a foolish delusion? cbayer Feb 2014 #98
Some preachers say those who sin, do so partly out of confusion; delusions. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #108
Who says that? cbayer Feb 2014 #114
No, what it does say though is that all people who don't believe in god are fools. trotsky Feb 2014 #85
The bible has errors in it. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #73
If you know that, possibly not. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #75
We are fools? hrmjustin Feb 2014 #72
Religion is just FUD for profit. tridim Feb 2014 #76
Oh, malarkey. Making broad brush statements about a vastly diverse think cbayer Feb 2014 #79
Thanks for your opinion on the matter. tridim Feb 2014 #80
as you well know, I agree that religious belief is delusional.... mike_c Feb 2014 #77
And as you know, I think you are completely wrong, cbayer Feb 2014 #81
Nice insults, cbayer. trotsky Feb 2014 #86
You'd almost think she was skepticscott Feb 2014 #88
Another academic source, on correlating religion and mental health/illness Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #101
Doing a quick search: here's a first article that might link religion with mental illness Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #100
It doesn't say anything like that at all. cbayer Feb 2014 #113
Here's a bunch of articles that seem to say religion causes mental illness? Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #102
It doesn't say anything like that at all. cbayer Feb 2014 #112
This study apparently suggests WOMEN profit from Religion - but not MEN, in mental health Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #103
I really question your ability to evaluate data at this point. cbayer Feb 2014 #111
Interesting Article Gothmog Feb 2014 #104
It would be considered a mental disorder... MellowDem Feb 2014 #105
Excellent point. Religions encourage group coherence - but often around false ideas. Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #107
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