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AtheistCrusader

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121. Ah, but see, the position of Atheism is actually SUPPORTED by a lack of evidence.
Fri Dec 27, 2013, 04:44 PM
Dec 2013

It's the only sane position when encountering a subject of which there is ZERO EVIDENCE.

"If others want to believe them and they cause no harm to any one else, why should I be bothered in the least?"

Well, that would be nice, except they are causing ENORMOUS harm. Hell, various religions have institutionalized and supported the two very items you just cited as being real things with evidence of harm.

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2013 #1
I can understand Christians observing today edhopper Dec 2013 #3
I think a lot of it is recycled myth and allegory. riqster Dec 2013 #2
Yes, edhopper Dec 2013 #5
A lot of his creation myth was nicked from previous versions. riqster Dec 2013 #7
Came from trying to fit him into the prophecies about the Messiah... truebluegreen Dec 2013 #9
Putting aside historical/religious/mythological context... R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #4
Merry Christmas anyway riqster Dec 2013 #8
That is really nice, rigster. cbayer Dec 2013 #15
Ummmm ... just a small problem with what you do believe intaglio Dec 2013 #14
Peace, intaglio, but did you miss what I wrote? R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #98
Humans have powerful imaginations and it's not all bad BeyondGeography Dec 2013 #6
Huh! A few days ago some Jehova's Whitnesses came to my door. OffWithTheirHeads Dec 2013 #10
JWs also use their own translation of the Bible n/t intaglio Dec 2013 #16
I did not know that. OffWithTheirHeads Dec 2013 #17
married Mary and god have sex behind Joseph's back. high morals indeed nt msongs Dec 2013 #11
Well Mary edhopper Dec 2013 #12
Does it matter? cbayer Dec 2013 #13
Yes, and we all know skepticscott Dec 2013 #19
Give it a rest. It's Christmas. kwassa Dec 2013 #23
No one is forcing you to participate here on your sacred day skepticscott Dec 2013 #24
No one is forcing to you to wallow in your bitterness, either. kwassa Dec 2013 #28
Apparently YOU really don't want to give it a rest, do you? skepticscott Dec 2013 #32
Dismiss all you want. kwassa Dec 2013 #34
Let's see now skepticscott Dec 2013 #36
Your attacking someone's religion on one of the most important holy days of the year does provoke me kwassa Dec 2013 #37
The negative effects of religion, superstition skepticscott Dec 2013 #54
A very merry Christmas to you, kwassa. cbayer Dec 2013 #25
Thank you, cbayer, and I hope you had a great Christmas, too. kwassa Dec 2013 #29
Very low key here. cbayer Dec 2013 #30
Same to you, cbayer. kwassa Dec 2013 #31
Merry Xmas 840high Dec 2013 #159
Actually it matters quite a bit. trotsky Dec 2013 #40
Lol! The little drummer boy is destroying anti-poverty programs. rug Dec 2013 #41
Then there's the assertion okasha Dec 2013 #74
That is very well said. edhopper Dec 2013 #42
I don't presume to speak for Justin, okasha Dec 2013 #61
Kind of circular. edhopper Dec 2013 #64
It does interest me to some 3xtent but it will nevrr stop my from being a believer. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #67
That is how I took it. edhopper Dec 2013 #69
I understand. no worries. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #70
I never said that. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #65
Is the actual story important to you. edhopper Dec 2013 #71
Well the birth narrative is suspect to a good extent and arguments can be made that it draws on hrmjustin Dec 2013 #72
Thanks edhopper Dec 2013 #78
+100 skepticscott Dec 2013 #49
I believe it. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #18
I think it happened that way Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #20
He was born, lived, and died. rug Dec 2013 #21
Apparently he was a working class Jew (mother Jewish, father Gentile). pinto Dec 2013 #22
... father gentile? IphengeniaBlumgarten Dec 2013 #26
That's what I've read. Who knows? I think many of the Gospels may have been written, pinto Dec 2013 #27
Bishop John Spong, James Tabor okasha Dec 2013 #33
Two gospels explicitly claim trace Joseph's family back to David. Both do it differently. enki23 Dec 2013 #157
Both gospels do in fact okasha Dec 2013 #161
He meant edhopper Dec 2013 #163
Jesus, that was an obtuse "objection". enki23 Dec 2013 #166
Also edhopper Dec 2013 #168
We have no idea whether okasha Dec 2013 #169
Especially edhopper Dec 2013 #170
And all these relatives edhopper Dec 2013 #172
But... Shadowflash Dec 2013 #180
A minority view holds Matthew's genealogy traces Mary's line back to David Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #182
I don't believe in every aspect but I believe that it happened. el_bryanto Dec 2013 #35
That's fair. (n/t) spin Dec 2013 #183
Well, if Jesus died on the cross, he had to born somehow. goldent Dec 2013 #38
If we put aside the supernatural aspects edhopper Dec 2013 #39
I assume the Gospel stories were passed down orally goldent Dec 2013 #43
Nor is there really a need to pick your family stories apart. trotsky Dec 2013 #44
If you are interested in seeing how edhopper Dec 2013 #45
Well, Jesus' mother was alive at the time of his Crucifixion... goldent Dec 2013 #51
And his brother James was alive 30 years later. okasha Dec 2013 #59
I have always wished we knew the names of the sisters arely staircase Dec 2013 #174
Here is my problem edhopper Dec 2013 #177
The Herod/newborn killing story probably isn't historically accurate arely staircase Dec 2013 #181
And yet people believe it to be true edhopper Dec 2013 #184
And that surprises you? cbayer Dec 2013 #185
Sure arely staircase Dec 2013 #186
So why believe any of the supernatural stuff? edhopper Dec 2013 #187
I do not believe one must be a christian to uphold or live by arely staircase Dec 2013 #188
I get that edhopper Dec 2013 #189
supernatural elements arely staircase Dec 2013 #190
I wasn't trying for you to satisfy my mind. edhopper Dec 2013 #191
cool happy new year nt arely staircase Dec 2013 #192
The veracity and accuracy of these stories matter only to biblical scholars cbayer Dec 2013 #46
I agree with your first part edhopper Dec 2013 #47
I don't disagree that many christians think the stories are factually true, cbayer Dec 2013 #53
But if they believe something happened that did not happen edhopper Dec 2013 #57
So what? cbayer Dec 2013 #58
Well I certainly think acting solely on faith is wrong. edhopper Dec 2013 #60
Faith doesn't exclude ethics or morals. cbayer Dec 2013 #62
That is a very interesting claim, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 #66
Well first edhopper Dec 2013 #68
Publishers have changed textbooks due to people's beliefs in the nativity story? cbayer Dec 2013 #73
The very article you posted a few days ago edhopper Dec 2013 #75
And it's an important article in the debate, imo. cbayer Dec 2013 #77
I don't think I have been obnoxious to the Christians here who have answered. edhopper Dec 2013 #81
No, I have trouble with your position that your beliefs are right cbayer Dec 2013 #82
It seems to me that you're the one adding the objectionable part. eomer Dec 2013 #101
What things do I constantly chastise for, eomer? cbayer Dec 2013 #102
So, cbayer, in your wonderful, open, tolerant world... trotsky Dec 2013 #103
You constantly chastise people for saying what they believe, if what they believe entails that... eomer Dec 2013 #104
Chastise or disagree? cbayer Dec 2013 #106
Chastise. eomer Dec 2013 #108
edhopper and I are just fine. cbayer Dec 2013 #109
I welcome people disagreeing with me and disagreeing with others. That's what I'm here for. eomer Dec 2013 #110
My ears are burning. edhopper Dec 2013 #111
I apologize for speaking for you, edhopper. cbayer Dec 2013 #113
I wish you luck, ed, in maintaining your status as a person worthy of interaction. trotsky Dec 2013 #114
How big is your ignore list? rug Dec 2013 #115
Well,it's quite interesting that you find what you do to be a-ok, but cbayer Dec 2013 #112
What you did was take reasonable, civil discussion and attempt to conflate it with hate. eomer Dec 2013 #116
I am quite civil, as the person I was discussing this with has verified. cbayer Dec 2013 #117
You were the one out of bounds. eomer Dec 2013 #118
The irony here is, well, stupefying. cbayer Dec 2013 #122
Sure, here's hoping you can stick to the topic at hand and resist mis-characterizing as bigotry... eomer Dec 2013 #123
I think we can both agree to do that, eomer. cbayer Dec 2013 #126
I think a very good place to start, cbayer, trotsky Dec 2013 #128
Fallacy Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #97
But every time you and others okasha Dec 2013 #63
If you ask me if all Christians who believe there is a God are wrong. edhopper Dec 2013 #76
But that would assume that you are right. cbayer Dec 2013 #79
Of course i assume I am right edhopper Dec 2013 #83
And you are convinced you are right with the same amount of evidence - none. cbayer Dec 2013 #86
Been there, done that edhopper Dec 2013 #90
I disagree. cbayer Dec 2013 #92
I was referring just to your response edhopper Dec 2013 #94
I appreciate that clarification, edhopper. cbayer Dec 2013 #95
Yes to all edhopper Dec 2013 #96
Ah, but see, the position of Atheism is actually SUPPORTED by a lack of evidence. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #121
What a fallacious argument. cbayer Dec 2013 #124
Of course I doubt there is a single person edhopper Dec 2013 #127
Magical thinking is a psychiatric terms and I generally cbayer Dec 2013 #129
My post covered various things edhopper Dec 2013 #151
Well, when it comes to people who pray rather than seek medical care, cbayer Dec 2013 #153
Speaking of fallacious arguments. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #134
Exactly. The inability to detect something does not lend cbayer Dec 2013 #136
Yes, the dolphins exist. And primary examples of INCREDIBLE numbers of species that cannot be detect AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #137
Have any believers here told you any of the things you list? cbayer Dec 2013 #139
Yes, many times. With references to their source material. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #140
Here, on this site, people have told you you are going to hell? cbayer Dec 2013 #143
Again, you turn the discussion to personal attacks. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #144
What personal attacks? Do you not think that the way you are expressing yourself cbayer Dec 2013 #146
It is not. It is an attack on an idea some people hold. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #148
Suit yourself, but it seems like hairsplitting to me. cbayer Dec 2013 #150
"What exact evidence points to god as a fabrication?". Well, there's this... cleanhippie Dec 2013 #165
Roll three dice. Statistically you can predict with some measure of certainty a result. pinto Dec 2013 #87
I really don't know what you are trying to say edhopper Dec 2013 #89
Kind of awkwardly made. A stab to move beyond a right and wrong framework. pinto Dec 2013 #91
Well I can understand edhopper Dec 2013 #93
Not just score a point. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #120
Society will be fixed primarily through legislative means, which is why I frequent this board. cbayer Dec 2013 #125
Problem is, the sack has specifications written on it, as to what is allowed in the sack. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #135
Oh, there is no doubt that there is tremendous distrust and prejudice towards atheists. cbayer Dec 2013 #138
I'm pretty sure black people didn't overcome bigotry in this country by being tolerant of bigotry. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #142
Of course they didn't. I am not suggesting that bigotry be tolerated. cbayer Dec 2013 #145
I'm not saying the group is defective. Well, I said something similar way upthread, but it was about AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #147
Defective for you, but not for others. cbayer Dec 2013 #149
I find the writings of the biblical scholars fascinating goldent Dec 2013 #105
Lol. I totally agree about you and your wife and the timeline. cbayer Dec 2013 #107
There is zero verifiable specific evidence other than generalities of the era. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #141
The census that caused Joseph and Mary edhopper Dec 2013 #152
The census may not have been Roman. It could have been in the territory of Herod under his Leontius Dec 2013 #154
There was a census, okasha Dec 2013 #155
This is what I mean by inconsistency... goldent Dec 2013 #156
Things either happened or they didn't edhopper Dec 2013 #158
I agree that it is impossible to know for sure goldent Dec 2013 #162
But it possible to surmise what is plausible and what is not. cleanhippie Dec 2013 #167
He was born and that is all I really need. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #48
Seriously? skepticscott Dec 2013 #50
What do you want me to say? hrmjustin Dec 2013 #52
Oh? Did god forget how to manufacture new humans out of the dust of the ground? AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #119
Myth, all around. darkangel218 Dec 2013 #55
I tend to believe that Mary was a virgin but I understand that is hard for some to believe. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #56
I believe the Biblical version. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #80
Even in the face of historical evidence edhopper Dec 2013 #84
Historical evidence? NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #85
There are many places on the web to edhopper Dec 2013 #88
I'll try to read this weekend. NaturalHigh Dec 2013 #99
no problem. edhopper Dec 2013 #100
I wish he was here today Marblehead Dec 2013 #130
mary could`t travel to bethlehem on a donkey so.... madrchsod Dec 2013 #131
Bull***t larkrake Dec 2013 #132
Wow. You might win today's prize for most off the wall post! cbayer Dec 2013 #133
Are you talking about edhopper Dec 2013 #171
I believe. 840high Dec 2013 #160
Everything edhopper Dec 2013 #164
as a Christian I accept and believe the creeds arely staircase Dec 2013 #173
Of course it creates cognitive dissonance edhopper Dec 2013 #175
fair enough nt arely staircase Dec 2013 #176
Compelling narrative but wobbly history. eom saltpoint Dec 2013 #178
I Believe Jesus Existed On the Road Dec 2013 #179
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