Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

3Pence

(1 post)
53. Edwin Johson
Fri Nov 22, 2013, 03:28 PM
Nov 2013

I think the thesis makes good sense, considering that there a strong case that New Testament was written by the same group of people who also wrote the works of Josephus. Re: The Rise of British Culture, by Edwin Johnson.

He makes a good case of arguing that Christianity before the invention of the printing Press ( you're correct Gutenberg didn't exist either, just check it, nothing was known of him and not even until 100 years after his death - burial place unknown - no book existed printed with his printing atelier's name on it. ) was more Arian/Nestorian in nature.

He further argues it was the Benedictines of Monte Cassino ( Judenberg = Gutenberg ) were the ones who introduced the Printing press. He argues the Quran was the first printed holy book and in the 14th century the Jews of Spain wrote their own version not even called Old Testament at the time. The Benedictines then took it upon themselves, building upon the writings of the Jews of Spain, to write the New Testament basing the three gospels (very similar) as response and fulfillment of the Jewish books and mingling it with their Rule of St. Benedict. The gospel of St. John was in fact written earlier. They also wrote almost all Church Father's writings, to give the new distance of the West from the Eastern forms of Christianity a more authoritative foundation. Hence the same arguments over and over again for a thousand years. Amongst those writings was also Josephus' history of the War with the Jews, which was much more recent in origin, namely from 1200-1300.

Monte Cassino was also instrumental in laying the foundations of Rome as seat of the Papacy since 1417. It is also clear in that the Papal families in those days had mostly a Jewish Origin. Hence Rome indeed did create our version of Jesus. This Jesus is distinctly and historically different from the Jesus in the Quran, who is much closer to Moses and most likely the source for the book of Yoshua in the Old Testament. The figure Yoshua again does not exist in the Quran.

A dubious claim at best. It is far more likely that the Gospel writers plagerized Josephus as they Viva_Daddy May 2012 #1
I don't think Creative Speculation itself would take this. rug May 2012 #2
Is that Why Syzygy May 2012 #14
No, but if I had to pick one, he'd beat out your guy. rug May 2012 #16
so Why Syzygy May 2012 #17
I'm glad this guy's thinking resonates with your grey matter. rug May 2012 #18
There are other good working theories ... Why Syzygy May 2012 #13
Can you give us a synopsis of what the purpose of the alleged Imperial conspiracy was? leveymg May 2012 #3
This from Price's critique (above) sums it up, but Atwill strays further afield: leveymg May 2012 #5
Thanks. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #9
Not really. Why Syzygy May 2012 #6
Atwill is an entrepreneur with an undergrad comp sci degree struggle4progress May 2012 #4
We need to Why Syzygy May 2012 #7
You can, of course, choose your reading to grind whatever axes you like, struggle4progress May 2012 #8
I'm not grinding axes Why Syzygy May 2012 #11
The first book .. Why Syzygy May 2012 #12
Fomenko seems to be a good mathematician, but based on the Wikipedia summary struggle4progress May 2012 #21
Why didn't you quote the full two paragraphs? laconicsax May 2012 #24
I guess I figured I quoted enough to make the point struggle4progress May 2012 #26
Did you actually read the Wiki entries you cited? laconicsax May 2012 #25
They don't cancel out. Why Syzygy May 2012 #38
They absolutely cancel out. laconicsax May 2012 #40
This is one of the most important books of our time. Andy81 May 2012 #20
Unimpressed by your 'call to authority' JeffP Oct 2013 #42
Hello and Welcome to DU and to the Religion Group. cbayer Oct 2013 #43
Thank you! JeffP Oct 2013 #44
You may want to look at some of the references in this thread: struggle4progress Oct 2013 #46
Great catch. Thanks for posting it. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #10
Hm. This doesn't seem completely legit on premise. daaron May 2012 #15
Caesar's Messiah Joe Atwill May 2012 #19
Is this your thesis? rug May 2012 #22
Hi Rug: Joe Atwill May 2012 #29
Hi Joe, rug May 2012 #32
rug Why Syzygy May 2012 #35
Once. rug May 2012 #36
If it will help, I'll do something Why Syzygy May 2012 #37
Thanks. rug May 2012 #39
Have you seen how much money they are making off of finding a "Mermaid"? grantcart Oct 2013 #49
Something's going on to kick a 15 month old thread. rug Oct 2013 #50
The 'scholarship' attributed to this would be the same as a grantcart Oct 2013 #51
Ok, OK, I'm convinced! rug Oct 2013 #52
So...without any judgement about your thesis... HereSince1628 May 2012 #33
Thank you for the information you've already provided. I'm looking forward to reading your book. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #27
What's your explanation for Tacitus' description of Nero's persecution of Roman Christians? muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #28
Hi Muriel: Joe Atwill May 2012 #30
Ah, so your thesis is not that Josephus et al invented Christianity muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #31
Hello! Why Syzygy May 2012 #34
Thank You Mr. Atwill JeffP Oct 2013 #41
Welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #45
sychophantic adoration to a third rate huckster who just happens to join DU grantcart Oct 2013 #48
Thank you Joe grantcart Oct 2013 #47
It is true that there was a dearth of first names in Palestine in the first century. dimbear May 2012 #23
Edwin Johson 3Pence Nov 2013 #53
welcome to du gopiscrap Nov 2013 #54
Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Religion»Caesar's Messiah, The Rom...»Reply #53