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Bernie Sanders is going to have to speak on more issues affecting black people. He's right on the issues, but he has to speak to black in a different way than white people or else he's in trouble. I'm a Bernie supporter, but I won't sugarcoat anything.
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that I wanted to comment on; but, will not do so in that forum ... because, quite frankly, I am not interested in seeing responsive comments from Non-Black DUers that routinely express their belief that they know Black people better than we know ourselves and show hostility to African-American peoples.
JRLeft, I agree that if Sanders is going to have to speak on more issues affecting black people, he has to speak to black in a different way than white people or else he's in trouble. But I think it will be a tough row to row for him, in that I think he, like most white liberals, has a fundamental mis-understanding of the Black condition in America, including Black poverty ... and therefore, his solutions are, largely, unappealing to all (most) but the "youngest", among the Black electorate. (More on the "Black generational divide" to follow)
As Coates recently wrote (again), in his Atlantic piece entitled: The Enduring Solidarity of Whiteness ...
black poverty (is) fundamentally distinct from white poverty ... (And) The pervasive and distinctive effects of racism are viewable at every level of education from high school drop-outs (see pages 13-14 of this Pew report, especially) to Ivy league graduates. I strongly suspect that if one were to investigate public-health outcomes, exposure to pollution, quality of public education or any other vector relating to socio-economic health, a similar pattern would emerge.
And Coates, goes on to ask:
A useful question might arise from such awareness: Has the impact of universalist social policies been equal across racial lines?
The honest answer to which, exposes why Sanders' understanding of the Black condition must (from a Black perspective)
change ... which would allow his language to change.
Now, with that said ... I have stated before that the Sanders campaign appears to have made the decision/gamble, early in its formation, that he could make up for his inability to attract the Black vote by attracting more of the working class white vote ... and, based on the Iowa and N.H. elections results ... Looking behind the numbers, the Bernie camp's battle plan/gamble appears to be working ... he has demonstrated that he could attract the white working class vote in sufficient numbers to, effectively, replaced the Black vote.
Now, maybe, N.H. is unique in it's "live free or die", anti-establishment, motto (that I can only assume applies to the Black folks that choose to live there, as well).
The problem is, and much of the Black electorate recalls/knows, ... it has been the Black experience in America that when the white working class comes together, it doesn't work out well for Black Americans, even when the gathering is started, or joined, by Black Americans (see: the tenant farmers/sharecroppers movement, the labor movement, and more recently, the Reagan republicans).
Further, it has been the Black experience in America that the "free" social programming that creates white stability and wealth, rarely, is "free", or stabilizing, or wealth producing, for Black Americans (see: social security, VA benefits, the public housing movement of the late '40s/early '50s, etc.)
Lastly, what the white Left, recently (it seems), refers to as, "the Establishment", includes the "Federal Government" ... the same Federal Government that protected the Black Freedman during Reconstruction, escorted the first Black students into integrated schools, enforced anti-discrimination laws, and was, as an (imperfect) employer, a/the most powerful builder of the Black middle-class. In short, the Black electorate has never been antagonistic with the Federal Government.
These are history points that "young" Black folks are mis-remembering, if they ever knew.
So, will Sanders make head way into the Black vote? ... Probably, so. But if he doesn't examine, and change, his understanding of the Black condition (and express that change in his language), that in-roads will be, largely, limited to the Black "youth".
Then, (or maybe, now) the question becomes/is for the Sanders camp: Will that be enough?
... And for the Black electorate the question becomes/is: without the change, and with history as a guide, what will our future look like with a Sanders presidency.
One more point ...
Should there be an "unchanged" Sanders Presidency, and history does what unlearned history does, woe be to the white left, as the "young" Blacks learn (re-learn) the lessons of history.
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Ignoring the Violent Crime Act and Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Acts
Jarqui
Feb 2016
#2
"Did the white working class ... come together to vote for Clinton in 1992 and 1996?"
Jarqui
Feb 2016
#33
What does this have to do with shifting blame? Nothing. This is about Nader's poor judgment.
pnwmom
Feb 2016
#87
You took Nader's comparison to have a very narrow meaning, but there was no reason to do so.
pnwmom
Feb 2016
#92
Ta-Nehisi Coates Is Voting for Bernie Sanders Despite the Senator's Opposition to Reparations
azurnoir
Feb 2016
#5
who's speaking about anyone being savior, personaly I've never said that about any politician
azurnoir
Feb 2016
#15
We discuss these things amongst ourselves. Black people try not to give fodder
Liberal_Stalwart71
Feb 2016
#106
Yes. White people keep trying to ignore profound systemic differences between their own
mhatrw
Feb 2016
#6
IMHO, Sanders wants to be educated, and deaf, dumb and blind on race is a white problem, not a
mhatrw
Feb 2016
#44
And it may not be sexy to admit it- but it ain't going to be easy, and it should be a top
bettyellen
Feb 2016
#61
NY State tried to rectify it's formula to even things out through court cases, they won
bettyellen
Feb 2016
#72
I know he was utterly shocked to find out that people go to jail for not paying tickets.....
bettyellen
Feb 2016
#66
"If he becomes President and makes one - we find someone to primary him in 2020."
sheshe2
Feb 2016
#82
Nespresso and baked good are my jam! I am with Ms B getting lectured on "tactics" HA.
bettyellen
Feb 2016
#98
or nothing. have had friends teaching english with no books- she paid for paper to make
bettyellen
Feb 2016
#80
Of course the Federal government is a key part of "the establishment.' So why does
pnwmom
Feb 2016
#74
Because the establishment is more than one institution, the federal government.
jonestonesusa
Feb 2016
#77
Could not agree more w/ " The notion of tearing these folks down in a revolution....
bettyellen
Feb 2016
#114