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Gun Control & RKBA

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Toronto

(183 posts)
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 05:36 PM Dec 2012

Why the US cannot be compared to any other jurisdiction in the world with respect to gun control. [View all]


No other nation in the developed world has the following three combined dynamics:

• Constitutional right to own guns
• State/Province or similar Regional responsibility for gun control
• Cultural identity tied to gun ownership

Most nations hold the power to protect themselves, others, and police their own territory as a fundamental power vested by sovereignty. Such countries include Canada, Japan, Mexico, Switzerland and the UK. In other words, these countries do not delegate these responsibilities or any part of these responsibilities to regional governments. Some try to draw comparisons to Australia which, like the US, delegates the responsibility for the management of gun ownership to their respective states. The major difference in Australia however, is that that there is no cultural identity tied to gun ownership, nor is there a constitutional right to own guns. While Australia has a well developed Recreational/Sporting Gun following , it nevertheless represents a minority of the population. Thus when stringent gun control was advocated after a single mass shooting, there was 85% public support for the notion. It was therefore not difficult to obtain state support for the 1996 National Agreement on Firearms to severely restrict gun ownership throughout the country. In both Mexico and Switzerland there is a constitutional right to own guns, however as the administration of that right is vested in their respective sovereign governments and not delegated to any regional government, there is no impediment to the imposition of restrictions as required.

Thus the US is in a unique position among other nations. Even if a national agreement with the various states on gun control were possible, there would exist the possibility that an individual could challenge that agreement based on unconstitutionality.
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There's also the fact guns in America are one of the world's great religions. nt flamin lib Dec 2012 #1
That's your opinion and far from a fact. ... spin Dec 2012 #15
I get the impression Toronto Dec 2012 #23
You're right. There is more than one type of gun owner in our nation. ... spin Dec 2012 #32
I'll give you even another kind of gun owner ..... oldhippie Dec 2012 #36
You bring up an interesting point. ... spin Dec 2012 #41
Very true ..... oldhippie Dec 2012 #43
I never got into the ham radio bit but I do collect knifes and watches. (n/t) spin Dec 2012 #45
I was referring to the Larry Pratts and flamin lib Dec 2012 #24
I never flame another poster... spin Dec 2012 #33
I'll admit to being passive-agressive if you will! :-) nt flamin lib Dec 2012 #40
quick question gejohnston Dec 2012 #34
Personally I have come to the conclusion (opinion) that semi auto firearms have no place in flamin lib Dec 2012 #37
concession is a more accurate word gejohnston Dec 2012 #42
Thanks for the help where ya' can. Beware of "them" whoever "them" are. nt flamin lib Dec 2012 #44
No flame. Your right to that choice is respected. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #54
It is TOTALLY a religion for some people. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #26
Not according to this definition ... spin Dec 2012 #35
Yeah, what I said. nt flamin lib Dec 2012 #38
I suggest we agree to disagree. (n/t) spin Dec 2012 #39
Hmm... well there are other defititions Toronto Dec 2012 #46
You make a fair point. (n/t) spin Jan 2013 #52
I'll grant you that is another valid definition .... oldhippie Jan 2013 #56
Same old nothing we can do about it meme. We're different. Bonhomme Richard Dec 2012 #2
I could use a few more nt gejohnston Dec 2012 #3
I see nothing wrong with that. Some here will disagree with me. (n/t) spin Dec 2012 #5
Roughly fair assessment of U.S. nation and culture... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #10
Some countries go much further Toronto Dec 2012 #13
Agreed. IMO, the U.S. was much "further along" with LBJ's flawed 1960s "Great Society" programs... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #17
It is my observation Toronto Dec 2012 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Toronto Dec 2012 #20
I don't believe I said there was nothing you can do about it. Toronto Dec 2012 #4
I can't see a National Strategy on Gun Control. Too narrow and misses the point. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #18
Perhaps a better model would be Toronto Dec 2012 #21
Now, there is something. Moral suasion is better than moral persecution Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #28
It would be very peculiar Toronto Dec 2012 #48
Hence, my point: MSM is locked into bias, prohibition & propagandizing. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #59
Why on earth would Biden "invite the NRA in" thucythucy Dec 2012 #27
I don't like them either, but they are the 800 lb gorilla. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #29
The Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms, but not to sell them. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #6
Ahh, the old... jeepnstein Dec 2012 #7
The best alternative would be for gun advocates to figure out how to reduce the JDPriestly Jan 2013 #68
Ok, here goes.. jeepnstein Jan 2013 #71
Who do you think will be willing to pay for it? JDPriestly Jan 2013 #74
Your statementakes false assumptions alabama_for_obama Jan 2013 #75
Sorry. They are part of your group if you are a gunowner. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #79
unless you live in the inner city gejohnston Jan 2013 #80
Cool. Marinedem Dec 2012 #8
Every city has limits on free speech rights. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #69
Depends whether your only Toronto Dec 2012 #9
Those are things that gun owners need to "own." JDPriestly Jan 2013 #70
It's very simple: alabama_for_obama Jan 2013 #76
Sort of like free speech kudzu22 Jan 2013 #66
You mean like the Bush era free speech areas? JDPriestly Jan 2013 #67
Exactly. kudzu22 Jan 2013 #72
I would agree that fundamental rights should not be restricted. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #73
There exists more violence as a result of abuses of 1st amendment rights than 2nd alabama_for_obama Jan 2013 #77
The US Fed govt does not "delegate" Constitutional powers .... oldhippie Dec 2012 #11
To delegate: to assign responsibility or authority Toronto Dec 2012 #12
You make no sense ...... oldhippie Dec 2012 #14
Would you be happier if I rephrased it to say Toronto Dec 2012 #16
Yes, but only because they had it in the first place .... oldhippie Dec 2012 #22
However, if you want to split hairs Toronto Dec 2012 #47
Further the civil war and the 14th amendment sealed the deal. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #25
more bullshit american exceptionalism.. choie Dec 2012 #30
our system is unique gejohnston Dec 2012 #31
You just have to learn to think Toronto Dec 2012 #49
Holy shit! oldhippie Jan 2013 #55
Yes. alabama_for_obama Jan 2013 #78
Americans don't agree that gun massacres are so horrific that they MUST be ended. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #50
That's because Australia does not have a Toronto Jan 2013 #53
Australia is very rough and tough and people living in the Outback must be self-reliant Dems to Win Jan 2013 #57
they own guns too gejohnston Jan 2013 #58
Guns weren't really responsible for the European conquest of Australia: Toronto Jan 2013 #61
so they have no business talking about our indian wars? gejohnston Jan 2013 #62
I only meant to point out that Toronto Jan 2013 #65
There's also the factor of size DemDealer Jan 2013 #51
In the developed world, the US is unique in other areas Kennah Jan 2013 #60
Too true. Perhaps society would be better Toronto Jan 2013 #63
Or at least less needed for anything other than sport Kennah Jan 2013 #64
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