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In the discussion thread: gun violence control through mandatory liability insurance and taxation - from Forbes [View all]

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Thu Dec 27, 2012, 01:37 AM

gejohnston (12,599 posts)

58. assuming the AR didn't come from NYPD

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armories. No, he isn't the only one.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/junkie-pleads-guilty-stealing-guns-article-1.1189430
http://gothamist.com/2011/10/25/8_nypd_cops_charged_with_gun_traffi.php

The guy in New York also had a .38 revolver and a shotgun. Was it a weapon of choice, or simply what he had.

Philosophically, I am opposed to those innocent of crimes, nor directly responsible, being liable for any actions of others.
The drug gang violence in Mexico, US, Canada, Germany, are the responsibility of those gang members and their customers. Not the target shooter in Mexico city, hunter in Wyoming or Alberta. Simple as that.

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111 replies	Author	Time	Post
gun violence control through mandatory liability insurance and taxation - from Forbes [View all]	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	OP
That's exactly what we need	TheMoreYouKnow	Dec 2012	#1
since we are talking about Forbes	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#5
yep nt	Mojorabbit	Dec 2012	#7
So, you claim to know what an entire magazine wants? Or are you just mindreading the author?	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#64
I have read the magizine often enough to know	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#66
They have grossly exagerated the costs to society.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#68
You have to show something more than your best guess	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#89
I proved to you that most murder victims are themselves criminals.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#90
No, you have proven no such thing	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#94
If you are talking about the Kellermann study	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#98
apparently you have no respect for the role that Medical examiners play in criminology	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#100
especially ones who are shills	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#102
Oh, national review has declined tremendously since the days of Buckly.	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#103
no one said suicidal kids are criminals.	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#104
Bloomberg too.	JohnnyBoots	Dec 2012	#96
Remember Blair Mountain.	jeepnstein	Dec 2012	#15
Why?	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#67
The company men...	jeepnstein	Dec 2012	#70
I'm sure that criminals will be lining up to insure their illegal guns.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#2
it will affect criminals, indirectly	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#20
Because no black market would ever explode into existance....	PavePusher	Dec 2012	#84
the people who are committing the violence	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#3
incorrect gejohnston	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#21
the analysis I have seen were	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#26
I refer you to all of the research on the topic of substitution in means of suicides (or lack of it)	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#63
you made the claim first	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#65
Wrong.	Clames	Dec 2012	#101
On this I agree with you.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#106
stats and stick figures	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#107
since the CDC lists defensive gun uses	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#109
Forbes: 1%ers telling the rest of us how to live. N/T	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#4
1%ers telling the rest of us how to live are very popular with that lot these days	friendly_iconoclast	Dec 2012	#10
Is this contributer a 1%er?	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#22
the target audience is	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#27
Another punish the honest first solution...	ileus	Dec 2012	#6
Oh please. Don't make us listen to this nonsense.	BlueStreak	Dec 2012	#34
Existing liability policies generally cover damage from accidental or negligent discharges	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#8
My rental does, too.	bobclark86	Dec 2012	#9
that would likely change in the event that more gun owners sought liability insurance	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#23
because such shootings are too low for	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#28
I would bet that most gun owners have a liability policy right now	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#33
You are assuming most people carry liability insurance...	Toronto	Dec 2012	#46
Liability insurance that covered only gun-related incidents would be extremely inexpensive	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#71
I believe gun insurance	Toronto	Dec 2012	#81
FBI reports "Hands, fists, feet, etc." commit 5.7% of murders, Rifles and Shotguns for 5.4%.	jody	Dec 2012	#11
Good idea	EC	Dec 2012	#12
riders, or changing more policies to all risk, or adding guns as a named risk	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#24
There is no such thing as an insurance policy that covers murder ...	Toronto	Dec 2012	#52
1% drivel. Liability insurance takes away responsibility and accountability.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#13
+1 this ^^^ :) n/t	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2012	#16
you are correct about one thing	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#17
how do you figure that?	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#25
I see no reduction in gun violence by being insured against liability.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#82
requiring liability insurance	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#83
I'm not interested in a discussion on the economics of gun ownership.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#91
the goal isn't really public safety	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#92
I agree.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#111
so you don't get it - allow me to explain	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#93
most guns start out as legal ones	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#99
No, I get it and I disagree.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#105
Are you kidding me?	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2012	#14
I'm guessing the article is more about	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#18
With this:	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2012	#19
suicides and law enforcement deaths only account for a fraction	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#30
a different post, but one that expands on possible ways it could improve things	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#31
LCAV	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#40
car deaths are falling mostly because of	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#35
Suicides are well more than half.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#37
I think you're headed in the wrong direction	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2012	#45
Decoding CDC-speak.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#73
Thanks :)	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2012	#74
I had a $800 gun stolen while doing everything the restrictionists want me to do.	PavePusher	Dec 2012	#85
My point was...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2012	#86
Ah, got it. Thanks for clearing that up! n/t	PavePusher	Dec 2012	#88
Each person killed by a firearm, no matter how....	Toronto	Dec 2012	#47
in the US,	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#49
For the sake of argument	Toronto	Dec 2012	#51
The vast majority of murder victims do have criminal records.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#69
I am aware of:	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2012	#72
Liability insurance tax added to ammunition purchase	randr	Dec 2012	#29
making ammo purchasers show proof of insurance for the gun	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#32
how would microstamping work?	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#36
No, they don't need to purchase ammo.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#38
Never heard of anyone shot dead with a bluff	randr	Dec 2012	#39
To actually use it they will need some ammo, but not much.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#42
You must be overlooking the entire clips unloaded	Toronto	Dec 2012	#48
since they don't get their guns legally,	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#50
It's all a plot by the insurance companies	dickthegrouch	Dec 2012	#41
Life insurance does pay for suicide, if after the first two years.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#43
Liability policies universally exclude payouts for damages caused by criminal acts by...	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#44
that is true with a few exceptions	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#62
That's where a Victims Indemnity Fund	Toronto	Dec 2012	#53
since most of the gang violence including drive bys	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#54
I somehow doubt that long gun owners would	Toronto	Dec 2012	#55
many of those also own handguns	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#56
I don't have any facts and figures related to the type of drugs	Toronto	Dec 2012	#57
assuming the AR didn't come from NYPD	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#58
Not all guns deaths result from crimes	Toronto	Dec 2012	#60
accidental deaths are very rare	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#61
You will excuse the late reply, but it was 2 am EST, the time	Toronto	Dec 2012	#78
Yes it is the prohibition	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#79
Funny you should say that,	Toronto	Dec 2012	#80
You don't know Fudds like I know Fudds.	jeepnstein	Dec 2012	#75
The civilian population if the U.S. is rearming itself...	Eleanors38	Dec 2012	#76
I used to have a Smith model 19. It'll do the job. nt	rrneck	Dec 2012	#110
Is suicide by leaping off a bridge 'bridge violence'? 'gravity violence'?	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#59
Very bad idea...	Puha Ekapi	Dec 2012	#77
I agree - impose insurance requirement - I've started a petition at WhiteHousePetitions. Please HELP	wanttosavetheplanet	Dec 2012	#87
Petition away..	pipoman	Dec 2012	#108
Imagine that..	pipoman	Dec 2012	#95
a billionare trying to create a new source of income	backwoodsbob	Dec 2012	#97

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