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Kaleva

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Tue Dec 25, 2012, 03:54 AM Dec 2012

One is often asked to define "assault weapon". Here's my definition. [View all]

Last edited Sun Jan 6, 2013, 05:09 PM - Edit history (2)

Any semi-automatic weapon that fires a rimless, semi-rimmed, or rebated rim centerfire cartridge that has a bullet of less then 6.5mm in diameter or a metal based case length of less then 50.8mm or caseless ammunition of any dimension or any rimless, semi-rimmedd or rebated Polymer-cased centerfire cartridge of any dimension.

The appearance of the gun has nothing to do with the above definition. The gun could look like a hunting rifle or it could look like something out of a Hollywood war movie. The gun could have a bayonet lug, grenade launcher, flash suppressor, pistol grip or folding stock and it might not be an assault weapon as defined by above. Or it could. It all depends on the action of the gun and the cartridge it fires.

Such a definition keeps things simple. All one has to do is first determine if the gun is a semi-automatic, see if the cartridge it is loaded with is a centerfire round and then measure the cartridge. No fuss. No muss.

If one has an issue with including semi-automatic handguns in the above, then one could refine it further by saying an assault weapon is a semi-automatic firearm that has a barrel length of 16" or longer and fires a rimless, semi-rimmed, or rebated rim centerfire cartridge that has a bullet of less then 6.5mm in diameter or a case length of less then 50.8mm.

A semi-automatic, or self-loading, firearm is a weapon that performs all steps necessary to prepare the weapon to fire again after firing—assuming cartridges remain in the weapon's feed device or magazine.

A centerfire cartridge is a cartridge with a primer located in the center of the cartridge case head.

"The rimmed cartridge is the oldest of the types and has a rim that is significantly larger in diameter than the base of the cartridge. "

"On a rimless case, the rim is the same diameter as the base of the case; it is known as an extractor groove."

"On a semi-rimmed case the rim projects slightly beyond the base of the case, though not as much as a rimmed cartridge."

"Rebated rim cartridges have a rim that is significantly smaller in diameter than the base of the case, serving only for extraction."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rim_%28firearms%29

Rimmed cartridges do not have an extractor groove.

According to the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI), a cartridge is "a single round of ammunition consisting of the case, primer and propellant with or without one or more projectiles." Only the projectile portion is the bullet.

The case length of a 7.62x39mm cartridge is about 38.7mm



Polymer-cased ammunition (or PCA) is the concept applied to define the alternative to use polymer-based casings instead of metal-based (brass, aluminium or steel mainly) in the manufacturing of ammunition.

Caseless ammunition is a type of small arms ammunition that eliminates the cartridge case that typically holds the primer, propellant, and projectile together as a unit.



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any gun is an assault weapon = intimidate or make a person fearful of harm, which is the msongs Dec 2012 #1
By that definition, all men and women are murderers. NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #2
A gun made for assaulting realgreen Dec 2012 #3
Interesting atreides1 Dec 2012 #4
It's whatever Congress and the states decides it to be. Kaleva Dec 2012 #5
There is no legal definition of "assault weapon" aristocles Dec 2012 #51
So you bring back caseless ammo Riftaxe Dec 2012 #6
Caseless ammo has it's drawbacks. Kaleva Dec 2012 #8
Hardly, the biggest drawback was the expense Riftaxe Dec 2012 #9
It has several problems besides expense Kaleva Dec 2012 #12
production is no longer a problem Riftaxe Dec 2012 #13
Still easy to control. Either outlaw caseless ammo for civilians or heavily regulate it. Kaleva Dec 2012 #16
It has been a fun back and forth Riftaxe Dec 2012 #18
I learn a great deal in these exchanges. Kaleva Dec 2012 #19
Face it, in the end, people want to be protected Riftaxe Dec 2012 #11
This of course will lead to smaller Riftaxe Dec 2012 #7
Well, .22 caliber firearms shooting rimfire cartridges would not be regulated. Kaleva Dec 2012 #10
Darn, i made money when my .22 in '86 made the grade Riftaxe Dec 2012 #15
"a bullet of less then 6.5mm in diameter" napoleon_in_rags Dec 2012 #14
So...notch cased ammo comes in Riftaxe Dec 2012 #17
We always have the capacity to cause damage. napoleon_in_rags Dec 2012 #20
The day after that ammunition... Puha Ekapi Dec 2012 #21
ARs in .260 Remington are available now JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #48
The word "assault" as used in gun terminology needs to be thrown out. Guns should be Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #22
Actually the original use of "assault" is exactly as you wish. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #24
Then I stand by my original statement. We should Revert Back to defining guns by the size and weight Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #25
I think you misunderstood my post. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #26
and That is exactly why we need to quit using it. any weapon can be offensive or defensive - Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #27
Yes, we should quit using the term "assault weapon". ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #28
I'm offering a possible specific defination of the term. Kaleva Dec 2012 #34
Per your definition, .22 LR is an "assault weapon" Angleae Dec 2012 #23
No. .22LR is a rimfire cartridge. Kaleva Dec 2012 #35
Damnit, I knew I missed something. Angleae Dec 2012 #47
Don't understand your definition being smaller than 6.5mm and 50.8 mm. doc03 Dec 2012 #29
A 7.62X54R would be legal but a 7.62X39mm would not be (unless one has a license) Kaleva Dec 2012 #33
What is your logic there? A 7.62x54 won't kill anybody or what? I think doc03 Dec 2012 #44
The 7.62X54R is a very powerful round. Kaleva Dec 2012 #45
Easy work-around krispos42 Dec 2012 #30
I don't have an issue with that Kaleva Dec 2012 #32
You could do that. krispos42 Dec 2012 #39
I believe the vast majority of people who wish to own a gun for self/home defense... Kaleva Dec 2012 #42
The .357 from a rifle is perfectly acceptable in terms of power. krispos42 Dec 2012 #43
EVERY Gun is an ASSAULT WEAPON! Statist Dec 2012 #31
Steps to determine if a firearm is an assault weapon Kaleva Dec 2012 #36
What is the point of the meaningless classification? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #37
Mine is an attempt to get away from the "It looks scary!" definition commonly used. Kaleva Dec 2012 #38
But I think you are missing... Puha Ekapi Dec 2012 #40
I don't see how one can simply retool a semi-auto handgun to get around the restrictions Kaleva Dec 2012 #41
The NY firemen's killer was armed with a .223 Bushmaster Kaleva Dec 2012 #46
If it points at you and a bullet comes out, it's an assault weapon. lastlib Dec 2012 #49
So a 9mm semi-auto pistol constitutes an "assault weapon" iiibbb Dec 2012 #50
If you read the first paragraph of the OP Kaleva Dec 2012 #52
Thanks iiibbb Dec 2012 #53
There are already many semi-auto rifles available that do that Kaleva Dec 2012 #54
iI see iiibbb Dec 2012 #55
With your proposed licensing... Puha Ekapi Dec 2012 #56
It'd be shall issue on a federal level but... Kaleva Dec 2012 #57
In "May Issue" states... Puha Ekapi Dec 2012 #58
My idea has nothing to do with state or local regulations Kaleva Dec 2012 #59
I'm not sure.... Puha Ekapi Dec 2012 #60
I've already answered your question Kaleva Dec 2012 #61
Ok, then... Puha Ekapi Dec 2012 #62
It doesn't matter to me either way. Kaleva Dec 2012 #63
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