Gun Control & RKBA

GreenStormCloud

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25. You don't seem to have controlled for having a criminal record.

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:13 AM

Dec 2012

You seem to have lumped law-abiding folks in with the criminals. Texas has some published stats that you may be interested in.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport2011.pdf

It compares the conviction rates of Concealed Handgun License holders to the general public. The CHLers have a far lower conviction rate than the general public.

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Heinous. [View all] frazee Dec 2012 OP

It's also hard to drown without water. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #1

But the NRA... frazee Dec 2012 #6

I'm not familiar with the NRA particular positions. Where's your factual support for your AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #27

This took less than 3 minutes to find. frazee Dec 2012 #31

Your statement "the NRA ... would have us believe that more guns mean more safety" is not supported AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #33

If you don't get the implication of their discussions about these "fables," frazee Dec 2012 #37

So you just made this up about your boogeyman. Got it. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #38

No. But in the future, frazee Dec 2012 #44

they are using FBI statistics gejohnston Dec 2012 #39

I think you're arguing against yourself, there. frazee Dec 2012 #41

Actually, he is right on point. Correlation does not equal causation. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #42

Good grief. frazee Dec 2012 #43

no, gejohnston Dec 2012 #45

My apologies for misunderstanding. frazee Dec 2012 #47

You might be interested in this study... DanTex Dec 2012 #2

From that same study: GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #3

Umm, yeah, but as the authors point out, guns get transferred from legal to illegal owners. DanTex Dec 2012 #5

Most such "transfers" are theft. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #8

Speculation. DanTex Dec 2012 #10

Then why do we have so many folks in prison? GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #24

If the guns aren't there to begin with Shadowflash Dec 2012 #26

So you want to ban all civilian ownership of guns. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #30

I know it won't fly. Shadowflash Dec 2012 #32

Yeah, guns are such a big deterrent to crime, they're one of top theft targets! MightyMopar Dec 2012 #28

Mos burglars make a strong effort to make sure no one is at home. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #29

Thanks. I look forward to reading it. nt frazee Dec 2012 #7

The gun nuts will not like this thread jpak Dec 2012 #4

Is there a link to the complete report/study? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #9

Sorry, the stats are mine... frazee Dec 2012 #11

Thanks for the explanation. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #13

The stats are yours, as is your claim that "the NRA ... would have us believe that more guns mean AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #34

Please excuse me for being blunt but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #12

really confused, especially considering post #11 whereby he states that the stats are his Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #14

Yeah, me too. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #15

The intent of this post was to counter something... frazee Dec 2012 #16

Not to sound like a broken record but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #17

Correlation doesn't necessarily imply a causal relationship, frazee Dec 2012 #18

In no way... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #19

There can be no doubt. frazee Dec 2012 #20

I hated chemistry more than thermo. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #21

Fair enough. frazee Dec 2012 #22

Food for thought discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #23

Yea, some people have created "more guns is the answer" as a straw-man AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #35

Except "more guns" isn't what is being said, so your hypothesis is false from the begining. PavePusher Dec 2012 #36

The survey on gun ownership was conducted frazee Dec 2012 #40

You don't seem to have controlled for having a criminal record. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #25

So... in summary... people need guns to produce shooting deaths. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #46