Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:51 PM

OK, here are some suggestions without impeding 2A rights. [View all]

We have the technology to implement the following. Do we have the will?

1. All semi-automatics, handguns and long guns, must be fitted with biometric safeties and have GPS chips embedded.
2. Local authority has overriding power to declare gun-free zones.
3. All owners of semi-autos should pass psych evaluation, with periodic reviews.
4. Background checks should be limited to history of violence or mental instability.
5. Owners of revolvers, shotguns and bolt action rifles would only be subject to background checks.
6. No carry without special certification and carry weapon must have GPS chip.

The GPS chip is very important and totally doable. With a smartphone app, fellow carriers and others would be aware of who was armed or not. The carriers get to see where the other good guys are and the rest of us have more options in terms of our movements.

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OK, here are some suggestions without impeding 2A rights. [View all]	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	OP
Number 2 could be considered a violation or an infringement...	a geek named Bob	Dec 2012	#1
Could be. I think it should be tested.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#4
okay	a geek named Bob	Dec 2012	#5
Stop it. You are asking him to actually THINK about what he says...	cleanhippie	Dec 2012	#39
good point...	a geek named Bob	Dec 2012	#40
You're a geek Bob. Why don't you design it.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#112
great... another thing ot add to the job stack...	a geek named Bob	Dec 2012	#125
I had someone say that it was a violation of 2nd amendment rights	rbixby	Dec 2012	#156
I don't see a problem there... n/t	a geek named Bob	Dec 2012	#157
if its not a flintlock musket or pistol you have no right to have one, as we know	msongs	Dec 2012	#2
Yep, and the 1st amendment only applies to newspapers, books, and soapboxes - not the internet,	kelly1mm	Dec 2012	#9
The Internet, CDs, DVDs, films and TV are all regulated.	JoePhilly	Dec 2012	#78
it is?	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#83
well...	a geek named Bob	Dec 2012	#126
And the Pirate Bay is just a figment of someone's imagination	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#193
Not bad, let me pick at it a bit:	NYC_SKP	Dec 2012	#3
Thanks	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#11
I think it's a thoughtful approach.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2012	#15
my thoughts	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#6
thank you for stating this so much better than I did below. but, this mental stuff has to be careful	Tuesday Afternoon	Dec 2012	#13
Suggestion	atreides1	Dec 2012	#7
Number 2 is unconstitutional	hack89	Dec 2012	#8
microchips. how sci-fi of you. define mental instability. GPS chip? kiss my ass.	Tuesday Afternoon	Dec 2012	#10
GPS chips are part of life now, like it or not	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#16
you do realize that most pros get in the field to try and understand their own neuroses/psychoses?	Tuesday Afternoon	Dec 2012	#19
This can't agree with this post more.....	LeftofU	Dec 2012	#24
No, a lot less gun violence. Think about it.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#46
There isn't a lot of gun violence to begin with. 300 million people, 100 million guns	Ashgrey77	Dec 2012	#206
Tell that to the families of the 30,000+ who lose their lives every year.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#208
Death is death, nice try at deflecting that fact. n/t	Ashgrey77	Dec 2012	#215
So what? We're here to talk about gun violence.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#216
I agree with all you say except vioalation of HIPAA	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#45
"....we risk losing our rights."	Tuesday Afternoon	Dec 2012	#82
This entire thread is about not losing our rights.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#85
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tuesday Afternoon	Dec 2012	#89
My whole point to you was they wouldn't have been stolen with this technology	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#91
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tuesday Afternoon	Dec 2012	#93
How well did they work in the Mexican gun thing?	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#26
Try to be positive here please.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#47
All the optimism in the world will not trump the physics	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#80
Quit being a naysayer. We have the technology.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#86
As a geek with some RF background, no we don't	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#97
Care to tell us how we don't or do you want to figure out how we do?	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#98
The first problem is RF propagation through metal	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#149
Of course it isn't the best solution	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#152
Because you are trying to solve problems in society with a less than adequate	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#190
The underlying problem is easy access to firearms, period.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#191
Not true	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#192
Obviously, that easy access needs to be stopped.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#195
Access used to be much easier and we did not have these problems	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#197
I think you are wrong.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#198
relative to the population	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#199
Ive seen many post about GPS, I find it kind of funny.	Travis_0004	Dec 2012	#109
And if it won't function without being charged?	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#110
You might want to check this out	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#111
And what do you do when the battery dies (or is removed)	Travis_0004	Dec 2012	#142
I do nothing and neither does the gun.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#144
Only if its a phaser	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#194
Not my problem. The manufacturer would have to figure that out.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#196
You haven't provided any solutions.	Clames	Dec 2012	#200
Right Mr. Negativity, except it will be you who loses his guns, not me.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#209
what you think is a solution is really	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#210
Are you saying a minority want safer communities?	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#212
I'm saying the minority is motivated by	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#214
That is a good step in the right direction but would it be expensive to implement?	JDPriestly	Dec 2012	#12
Good questions	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#48
A couple of technical points	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#14
Yup, once again technical ignorance sinks another "reasonable" proposal.	Clames	Dec 2012	#22
The antenna is even harder.	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#23
they bought cheap batteries from Radio Shack	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#25
Check your cellphone and learn about tethering.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#57
Still requires a transceiver.	Clames	Dec 2012	#64
Tsk, tsk! Such negativity.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#67
Sorry you find facts so troubling...	Clames	Dec 2012	#104
And your solutions are what precisely? Putting down good ideas?	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#108
I don't advocate any of these measure.	Clames	Dec 2012	#129
or he has investments	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#131
So, you've got nothing. No surprise there.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#133
Nothing that would make you happy.	Clames	Dec 2012	#134
It's only a good idea...	bobclark86	Dec 2012	#130
Please explain what would not work	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#136
Biometric sensors are getting better by the day	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#52
You are overestimating the state of the art with biometrics	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#79
Wireless power is already here.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#90
Its not in general use and the EMI issues remain unaddressed	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#96
Not bad...however	RegieRocker	Dec 2012	#17
Screw the hunters.	Remmah2	Dec 2012	#20
Screw you	RegieRocker	Dec 2012	#21
Only as long as law enforcement agencies agree to the same conditions in reference to the technology	Remmah2	Dec 2012	#18
Agreed. Make the penalties for hacking unpalatable.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#58
Ban high cap flash drives!	Remmah2	Dec 2012	#135
The GPS chips	Justin_Beach	Dec 2012	#27
Unless the chip has been disabled or the battery in it has died.	Common Sense Party	Dec 2012	#29
It's already borderline possible	Justin_Beach	Dec 2012	#32
Good post thanks. We need more positive voices here.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#60
Nothing is going to work every time, but if it works sometimes it could save lives	Bjorn Against	Dec 2012	#114
RFID chips	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#31
See above n/t	Justin_Beach	Dec 2012	#33
I'll have to think about some of those...the tracking thing sounds too Patriot Act to me.	Common Sense Party	Dec 2012	#28
Thanks for the feedback. Lots of details to be ironed out.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#62
Sorry, gotta disagree on most of this	tortoise1956	Dec 2012	#30
OK let me respond	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#65
These coudl work	tortoise1956	Dec 2012	#72
I agree that no measure will completely fix the problem.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#76
In reply...	Spryguy	Dec 2012	#123
Do you smoke pot?	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#124
Which of these	AlexSatan	Dec 2012	#34
None of them.	jeepnstein	Dec 2012	#36
These	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#70
But it is pretty likely	AlexSatan	Dec 2012	#71
Obviously a detail that would have to be worked out.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#77
Once you prove that the technology will never fail	hack89	Dec 2012	#35
Thoughts	Atypical Liberal	Dec 2012	#37
Excellent points! I think we are now on the same page.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#75
I don't know about transmitting.	Atypical Liberal	Dec 2012	#88
Great stuff. I love it when people start to really think.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#95
No.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#38
I guess your cup is always half empty. What a shame.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#81
Notice How the Gun Clutching Crowd Will Call You Stupid After	fightthegoodfightnow	Dec 2012	#41
to avoid the "it's already being done"	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#42
Exhibit A	fightthegoodfightnow	Dec 2012	#43
meanwhile back in reality	fightthegoodfightnow	Dec 2012	#44
ST posted suggestions	tortoise1956	Dec 2012	#49
Exhibit B	fightthegoodfightnow	Dec 2012	#50
And still no constructive input	tortoise1956	Dec 2012	#51
Correct	fightthegoodfightnow	Dec 2012	#55
Fair enough	tortoise1956	Dec 2012	#59
Thank You	fightthegoodfightnow	Dec 2012	#69
Work with me	tortoise1956	Dec 2012	#73
Not Sure I Agree	fightthegoodfightnow	Dec 2012	#143
Sorry, last night was a little hectic. Didn't get around to answering	tortoise1956	Dec 2012	#164
I don't disagree with a thing you say.	fightthegoodfightnow	Dec 2012	#165
Not all. Quite a few are very positive. I'm really encouraged by the response.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#101
Replace CCW with OPEN Carry	HockeyMom	Dec 2012	#53
I'm with you on that.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#54
I live in Florida which now has a proposal	HockeyMom	Dec 2012	#56
why did Florida ban OC?	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#61
Let's try to stay on subject GE. We're getting good feedback here.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#63
you said Floridians banned it because	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#68
It's not embarrassment, it's because it's none of your fucking business that I'm carrying	Kennah	Dec 2012	#148
Well, guess what? Public safety trumps that kind of an attitude.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#153
so public safety trumps	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#154
No. I think you know what I'm talking about.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#158
partly devil's advocate,	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#160
Well, I don't support the Patriot Act or Stop and Frisk.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#161
OK,	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#162
Well, there is more than one way to look at that.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#163
This is an argument I have often with open carriers. I'm safer being anonymous.	Kennah	Dec 2012	#166
I'm wrapping my head around this idea...	tortoise1956	Dec 2012	#66
I like this idea the best so far.	Tuesday Afternoon	Dec 2012	#92
It appears the GPS data would be available to LEO...	Eleanors38	Dec 2012	#74
Correct. It would be a defacto registration system for certain types of weapons.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#84
how would it do that?	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#87
Of course.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#94
many of those are businesses decided by those businesses	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#100
Details to be worked out.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#103
Would this be applied to 10s of millions of semi-auto hand guns as well?	Eleanors38	Dec 2012	#150
Of course. Not much point otherwise is there?	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#151
Then what would be the fate of revolvers?	Eleanors38	Dec 2012	#168
Nothing	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#169
Criminals would love your GPS idea.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#99
exactly what I was thinking about the GPS idea	Dog Gone at Penigma	Dec 2012	#102
Not bad ideas!	roninjedi	Dec 2012	#105
Why do you find the GPS tracking idea intrusive?	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#113
so, would I have control over the tracking?	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#115
That's something that needs to be discussed.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#118
as long as the you remember to leave your gun home	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#120
Excellent questions	roninjedi	Dec 2012	#122
Firstly, I think we are a long way from anyone pounding on doors.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#146
point of living in a society?	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#147
Would all of these proposals	oneshooter	Dec 2012	#203
Maybe. What do you think?	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#204
They are only citizens, just like the rest of us.	oneshooter	Dec 2012	#211
I'm OK with that.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#213
most of it is good	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#107
The app would only be available to registered users.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#106
May I add to your list	customerserviceguy	Dec 2012	#116
I doubt anyone knew	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#117
I thought about adding that	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#119
first manufacture that does it	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#121
How are you going to make the GPS chip work again?	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#127
if theives defeat your bank vault and alarm,	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#128
That doesn't seem terribly reasonable.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#132
I'm not following you?	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#137
Only works when the gun is on the move...	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#138
Technology exists. Needs to be developed and fine tuned.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#139
No thanks on being the beta tester.	jeepnstein	Dec 2012	#140
Well, we have to choose as a society which direction we want to take.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#145
Someday, quite likely.	AtheistCrusader	Dec 2012	#141
all great ideas, the GPS thing would be the hardest/most expensive	farminator3000	Dec 2012	#155
Thanks for the positive input and welcome to DU and the Gungeon.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#159
Cars are a lot bigger.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#177
you should google things sometime, it's fun!	farminator3000	Dec 2012	#178
I saw that on the local TV news	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#179
GPS and Smart Chips are not the same.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#180
no duh, what's your point?	farminator3000	Dec 2012	#181
You can't require something until the technology is actually available.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#184
how does two weeks sound? or go to ireland and try one	farminator3000	Dec 2012	#185
How long is the battery in the gun good for?	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#186
couldn't tell you. Ireland, laddy!	farminator3000	Dec 2012	#187
Current battery technology will not build one that lasts long.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#188
Well Said	ralfy	Dec 2012	#167
What laws do you support that protect an individual's inalienable right to self-defense against	jody	Dec 2012	#170
Laws? Self defense is a natural right. Doesn't require laws.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#172
Doesn't matter. Laws will be passed to prevent another Sandy Hook Tragedy. We who support RKBA must	jody	Dec 2012	#173
I'm trying to find a viable solution to save lives.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#182
It's not viable though. And you know that. n/t	Ashgrey77	Dec 2012	#205
Care to explain why not?	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#207
My only question is the technology	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#171
How about on duty cops are not part of this system.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#174
Fair enough.	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#175
Anonymous means anonymous.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#176
Bearing Arms doesn't exclusively mean guns.	SEMOVoter	Dec 2012	#183
I agree 100 per cent	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#189
my responses below - good suggestions btw	samsingh	Dec 2012	#201
Thanks.	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#202