Gun Control & RKBA

SecularMotion

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25. Not my burden to prove

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 03:59 PM

Dec 2012

I'll believe that gun sales are "skyrocketing" when I see actual sales figures from firearm sellers.

I find it very suspect that all reports of "skyrocketing" gun sales are based on ambiguous data and not actual sales figures.

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Guns in America: A Statistical Look [View all] trouble.smith Dec 2012 OP

do you see how hopeless your position is antis? trouble.smith Dec 2012 #1

This is a huge lie SecularMotion Dec 2012 #2

"Only a small number of these purchases (78,211 or 0.48 percent) were denied." trouble.smith Dec 2012 #3

This is the fruit of NRA propaganda SecularMotion Dec 2012 #4

I think you need to read the article again. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #7

I think you need to read the FBI statement SecularMotion Dec 2012 #8

approx .26% to answer your question. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #10

that is because of gejohnston Dec 2012 #11

You should also understand that many states (Colorado for one) Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #31

Colorado... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #56

My understanding was that Colorado Back Ground checks go through CBI NT Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #57

I'm not able to find that information discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #60

Don't forget that in Texas and several other states no NCIS check is needed oneshooter Dec 2012 #49

I'm not sure how sincere the anti-gunners are. I suspect that one or more of them are stockholders AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #5

the price of ammo is up because the price of all commodities is up, copper and lead for example. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #9

The price of ammo was going up long before the price of commodities began going up. AnotherMcIntosh Dec 2012 #12

Part of it is also supply and demand for the ammo. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #42

Really? Then explain why... bobclark86 Dec 2012 #51

I remember that gejohnston Dec 2012 #53

I'm not saying that panic buyers and horders didn't contribute trouble.smith Dec 2012 #54

From the FBI document linked in the article SecularMotion Dec 2012 #6

Correct - a NICS approval can be used to buy more than one gun Hangingon Dec 2012 #13

Wrong - not all background checks are sales SecularMotion Dec 2012 #15

Over 99% ARE from sales. : ) nt rDigital Dec 2012 #16

Prove it SecularMotion Dec 2012 #17

divide 129,817 (the number of FFLs in America) by 16,454,951 (number of NICS checks) in 2011 trouble.smith Dec 2012 #19

That's not accurate SecularMotion Dec 2012 #20

Gawd, how long are you going to bang this drum? Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #21

Corporate propaganda is not an accurate source SecularMotion Dec 2012 #23

Feel free to present a cogent argument... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #24

Not my burden to prove SecularMotion Dec 2012 #25

Then I see no reason to believe otherwise, frankly. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #27

Where are the actual sales figures? SecularMotion Dec 2012 #32

Where is a cogent counter-argument? Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #35

Right here. Dr_Scholl Dec 2012 #40

These are not sales figures on individual sales SecularMotion Dec 2012 #41

Like this? Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #29

It's an SEC filing. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #28

Hey, here's some more "corporate propaganda" from Smith and Wesson Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #30

And still no sales figures for individual gun sales SecularMotion Dec 2012 #33

And yet still very good data indicating a massive increase in sales revenue. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #38

And yet another article on the "boom" in gun sales with no sales figures SecularMotion Dec 2012 #39

lulz someone didn't read the article. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #46

What exactly are you looking for? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #43

Individual gun sales SecularMotion Dec 2012 #44

Hey, believe what you want, man. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #47

re: "...gun sales aren't increasing." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #58

Do you really think that this collection of data exists? ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #48

We get it, it isn't a one to one correlation but it's still a fuckton of new gun sales. trouble.smith Dec 2012 #26

That's exactly what the NRA would like you to believe SecularMotion Dec 2012 #34

It's exactly what people with common sense... Clames Dec 2012 #45

Go spend a day bobclark86 Dec 2012 #52

You say many gun owners are "mental"? SecularMotion Dec 2012 #55

I have bought two (2) guns on the same NICS check. Hangingon Dec 2012 #36

And as mentioned above, not all sales need background checks. oneshooter Dec 2012 #50

That's very good news. It means the economy is improving. slackmaster Dec 2012 #14

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #18

+1000000 nt rDigital Dec 2012 #22

Agreed discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #59

stats also show guns & drugs green for victory Dec 2012 #37