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PavePusher

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6. O.K., no subscription wall for me, so here's a few points from the article:
Sat Dec 8, 2012, 01:03 PM
Dec 2012
The reported number of people treated for gunshot attacks from 2001 to 2011 has grown by nearly half.

No hard numbers given, so hard to judge what they mean by "nearly half". These kinds of reports are often noteable for the... ummm... "generosity"... in their rounding methods. No data, no good conclusions. They also do not put forth any of a number of other stats such as the actual per capita rates.... hmmmm.....

After a steady decline through the 1990s, the annual number of homicides zigzagged before resuming a decline in 2007, falling from 16,929 that year to an estimated 14,722 in 2010, according to FBI crime data.

At the same time, medical data and other surveys in the U.S. show a rising number of serious injuries from assaults with guns and knives. The estimated number of people wounded seriously enough by gunshots to require a hospital stay, rather than treatment and release, rose 47% to 30,759 in 2011 from 20,844 in 2001, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Electronic Injury Surveillance System-All Injury Program. The CDC estimates showed the number of people injured in serious stabbings rose to 23,550 from 22,047 over the same period.

And again no per capita rates....


"Our experience is we are saving many more people we didn't save even 10 years ago," said C. William Schwab, director of the Firearm and Injury Center at the University of Pennsylvania and the professor of surgery at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania.

Driving the advances in treatment is a symbiotic relationship between trauma centers and military medicine. Military doctors honed the use of blood banks and helicopter transport during the Korean and Vietnam wars, said Thomas Scalea, Physician-in-Chief at the R Adams Cowley trauma center in Baltimore.

Civilian doctors made advances in the treatment of gunshot wounds during the late 1980s and early 1990s, when U.S. homicides peaked. They learned that patients were more likely to survive if doctors first stabilized them and then treated one injury at a time, Dr. Scalea said. That allowed the patient to recover between operations.

Methods were refined by the military over the past decade in Iraq and Afghanistan. War doctors learned how to better deal with blood loss, a major cause of death from such injuries.

This is really nothing new. Similar medical advancements occured during all wars in American history.


Mortality rates of gunshot victims, meanwhile, have fallen, according to research performed for The Wall Street Journal by the Howard-Hopkins Surgical Outcomes Research Center, a joint venture between Howard University and Johns Hopkins University. In 2010, 13.96% of U.S. shooting victims died, almost two percentage points lower than in 2007. (Earlier data used different standards, making comparisons useless.)

Interesting admission. Which makes it all the more difficult to draw any firm conclusions.

Good article, but about the only firm statement that can be made is that medical treatment is getting better.


I'm not going to subscribe to WSJ to read the whole article gejohnston Dec 2012 #1
Strange, I read the article without a subscription when I posted the link SecularMotion Dec 2012 #2
I couldn't read it either, but on the front page it's now labelled as "subscriber content" petronius Dec 2012 #4
It's probably a paywall that goes up after you read a few articles. : ( nt rDigital Dec 2012 #11
That's the part I've always wondered about - these attempted murders should be showing petronius Dec 2012 #3
Are they discussing per capita rates, or merely the total number? n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #5
O.K., no subscription wall for me, so here's a few points from the article: PavePusher Dec 2012 #6
So all of the shootings wendylaroux Dec 2012 #7
Misleading title for OP. Clames Dec 2012 #8
Right! And the earth is flat too! Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #9
You believing that fits in perfectly with your other arguments. Clames Dec 2012 #13
Riddle me this then hack89 Dec 2012 #10
Good point. (n/t) spin Dec 2012 #12
This is because not all aggravated assaults involve guns. DanTex Dec 2012 #17
This entire situation is as clear as mud hack89 Dec 2012 #19
The one thing that is crystal clear is that the NRA bots will believe anything... DanTex Dec 2012 #23
They use a data set that perfectly staddles a historic high in gun violence hack89 Dec 2012 #25
LOL. I love it when scientifically ignorant pro-gunners take on the peer reviewed research. DanTex Dec 2012 #26
96% percent of the counties were populous urban counties. hack89 Dec 2012 #27
Not sure where you got that number. DanTex Dec 2012 #28
Sorry -it was 92.6 %. hack89 Dec 2012 #29
You really have no clue what is going on in that study. DanTex Dec 2012 #31
Appears I know more about it than you do hack89 Dec 2012 #32
Do you understand the results are based on county-by-county analysis and not national trends? DanTex Dec 2012 #33
Yes hack89 Dec 2012 #34
Umm, actually no you don't. DanTex Dec 2012 #35
But in aggregate those counties experienced a significant decrease in homicides. hack89 Dec 2012 #36
Again, you can't replicate county-by-county analysis based on aggregate data. DanTex Dec 2012 #37
You have lost track of the big picture hack89 Dec 2012 #38
Umm, once again, you can't replicate a county-by-county study based on the "big picture". DanTex Dec 2012 #39
Considering it was funded by a grant from the Joyce Foundation hack89 Dec 2012 #40
LOL. And there it is! DanTex Dec 2012 #41
I am willing to accept that it is a good study hack89 Dec 2012 #42
But you obviously missed the point of it completely. DanTex Dec 2012 #44
Yes - gun violence by criminals hack89 Dec 2012 #45
Does this mean Ludwig was right about emergency medicine? nt hack89 Dec 2012 #43
Where is the money? RamRoddoc Dec 2012 #14
Stab wounds are climbing faster... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #15
Except gun violence is not "soaring". Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #16
Not all violent crimes are gun crimes. DanTex Dec 2012 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Glassunion Dec 2012 #21
You may be right. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #22
Comment about those charts. DanTex Dec 2012 #24
I just let Calc do it automatically. Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #30
According to the CDC, the story checks out. DanTex Dec 2012 #20
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