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In the discussion thread: AutoZone Employee, Fired After Stopping Robber With His Own Personal Weapon [View all]

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:18 PM

gejohnston (12,596 posts)

61. I didn't say otherwise

I think it's probably rare that robbers herd people into the back room and start harming them unless they have larger objectives than a simple robbery. Then they must be re-classified as terrorists. I believe the most common robbery is just all about the quick cash for the robber's next drug fix or some other nefarious reason.

Probably is rare, but not unknown. Post robbery executions do happen. I'm not saying that would have happened in this case, I simply included that caveat as the only reason I would do anything other than call the cops and be a good witness. Most are economic crimes, although execution after robbery has more to do with sociopathy, but not terrorism.

Terrorist events are on a completely different scale. However, I still do not think that people who are not trained in how to handle these events should go get their guns and start waving them around. I'd like to think I'm smart enough to know I'm not qualified to negotiate with a terrorist so if I go get my gun I'm probably making the situation worse.

Terrorists don't attack Autozone. Planned Parenthood maybe, but not Autozone. DoD defines terrorism as "the unlawful use of violence or threat of violence to instill fear and coerce governments or societies. Terrorism is often motivated by religious, political, or other ideological beliefs and committed in the pursuit of goals that are usually political."

As I've said in other posts. Autozone was absolutely right to terminate this guy. He had no authority to go get his gun and try to be a police officer. All he did by bringing another gun into the mix was further endanger his co-workers and any customers. Robbers who are unchallenged usually just take the money and run. By showing up with a gun to challenge them he set up a confrontation that could have gotten him or others killed.

I didn't say Autozone didn't. I simply said what I would do, and what I think he should have done.

He should most certainly have been terminated.

I never said otherwise

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97 replies	Author	Time	Post
AutoZone Employee, Fired After Stopping Robber With His Own Personal Weapon [View all]	Glassunion	Dec 2012	OP
Autozone probably worries more about being sued than catching someone who	southernyankeebelle	Dec 2012	#1
AutoZone? Meet Papa John. You'll find him on...	Eleanors38	Dec 2012	#2
If businesses did not allow guns in their stores and gunners	upaloopa	Dec 2012	#4
The policy didn't affect the thug, did it?	Eleanors38	Dec 2012	#7
I'm not going to play your bull shit games anymore	upaloopa	Dec 2012	#11
In my time in this group/forum, the folks most dug-in	Eleanors38	Dec 2012	#14
It many of us who tire of yours	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#20
Here's where YOUR bullshit games fail:	PavePusher	Dec 2012	#23
so this guy used an otherwise "lawful gun" to violate the terms of his employment...	mike_c	Dec 2012	#26
The sad part is that the employee had to choose	ManiacJoe	Dec 2012	#27
no he didn't have to choose....	mike_c	Dec 2012	#33
Protecting his co-workers??? Seriously? All he did was endanger them.	dballance	Dec 2012	#55
"hand the criminals the money and let them leave the store." That works every time.	DonP	Dec 2012	#72
Well, I believe that you are mostly wrong - Never said it works "every time"	dballance	Dec 2012	#73
While this may not be what you intend to mean....	PavePusher	Dec 2012	#75
Once again you are wrong	dballance	Dec 2012	#81
If "every" robbery/burglary was meet with armed resistance....	PavePusher	Dec 2012	#82
Again, you provide no cogent arguments to rebut mine	dballance	Dec 2012	#83
I'll give you this, you know how to dodge around and attempt misdirection.	PavePusher	Dec 2012	#88
In response to my post about 6,000 robberies per day	dballance	Dec 2012	#92
So in your educated opinion what would be the minimum of training needed?	oneshooter	Dec 2012	#90
I Don't have an "educated opinion" on that because I'm not qualified to have one.	dballance	Dec 2012	#91
So what is your "uneducated" opinion should be the minimum training to obtain a CHL.	oneshooter	Dec 2012	#95
My Uneducated opinion is	dballance	Dec 2012	#96
I thank you for your honesty.	oneshooter	Dec 2012	#97
Did he or did he not violate company policy?	Sherman A1	Dec 2012	#79
Would you agree or disagree	sarisataka	Dec 2012	#28
whether I agree or disagree is immaterial....	mike_c	Dec 2012	#34
Nice dodge	sarisataka	Dec 2012	#36
He brought a weapon into the work place	Sherman A1	Dec 2012	#87
Just to clarify	AlexSatan	Dec 2012	#43
I'm a union member and an officer in my union....	mike_c	Dec 2012	#46
Of course	AlexSatan	Dec 2012	#47
That's the biggest bunch of BS. I hope Autozone doesn't fold and give his job back.	dballance	Dec 2012	#56
My question is more about absolutes	sarisataka	Dec 2012	#63
Let me repeat. That's a bunch of "what if"	dballance	Dec 2012	#66
Fair enough	sarisataka	Dec 2012	#68
I think you meant deaf.	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#70
Thanks	sarisataka	Dec 2012	#71
Well thank you for a good, honest debate	dballance	Dec 2012	#74
I have a question	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#69
I like that!	Spryguy	Dec 2012	#37
+1000	dballance	Dec 2012	#57
When you're looking down the barrel of a gun	sylvi	Dec 2012	#84
So you feel the same way when first responders	JoeyT	Dec 2012	#38
I'm not going to comment on an increasingly fantastic series of "what ifs..."	mike_c	Dec 2012	#42
WTF? Increasingly fantastic?	JoeyT	Dec 2012	#49
neither were directly relevant to this incident....	mike_c	Dec 2012	#50
Special pleading.	JoeyT	Dec 2012	#53
it's not a simple yes or no question at all-- it's another red herring....	mike_c	Dec 2012	#59
I wasn't aware he'd gone out to his car	JoeyT	Dec 2012	#67
"conditions/rules of employment" are not "laws".	PavePusher	Dec 2012	#40
of course not....	mike_c	Dec 2012	#41
Inadequate Security? Are you serious?	dballance	Dec 2012	#54
I agree with you to a point	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#58
Boy that's a bunch of "what if."	dballance	Dec 2012	#60
I didn't say otherwise	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#61
Just a point of clarification.	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#64
Someone else understands the rules	aririgochou	Dec 2012	#45
"...so it is a waste of te talking about it." Yet here you are again? N/T	DonP	Dec 2012	#25
I am sure a "no guns" policy would stop the criminals from robbing them at gun point	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#8
That's been the case for ever. It will continue to be the case.	upaloopa	Dec 2012	#12
Have an example of that sparky?	DonP	Dec 2012	#19
On a technicality that would be impossible to provide an example.	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#21
I'm sorry, but a poster has determined that any factually based response is "bullshit games" ...	DonP	Dec 2012	#22
Some business have a radically different outlook:	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#32
+1	Starboard Tack	Dec 2012	#80
Not only should he have been fired...	bowens43	Dec 2012	#3
Why should he have been arrested?	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#5
It should be against the law, and it is against all reasonable concepts of morality,	TPaine7	Dec 2012	#9
We only arrest people for breaking the law.	hack89	Dec 2012	#6
I agree. See post 9. n/t	TPaine7	Dec 2012	#10
And this sort of thing is why	JoeyT	Dec 2012	#39
AutoZone should just make their company policy MORE GUNS FOR EVERYBODY!	ellisonz	Dec 2012	#13
You've had some...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2012	#15
It's my breakfast of Republican souls...	ellisonz	Dec 2012	#16
...Republican souls...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Dec 2012	#17
Hmmmm...	TPaine7	Dec 2012	#18
Smells more like beer and whiskey to me.	PavePusher	Dec 2012	#24
Eat lots of fiber	sarisataka	Dec 2012	#29
If you are in need of a compromise...	ManiacJoe	Dec 2012	#30
AutoZone is worried about their liability insurance rates.	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#31
+1	AlexSatan	Dec 2012	#44
May he be hired at a greater wage	customerserviceguy	Dec 2012	#35
When my brother was managing a retail place he would have fired this guy...	hunter	Dec 2012	#48
This is a dupe. At least the original mentioned he VIOLATED company procedure	CBGLuthier	Dec 2012	#51
I did not realize this was a dupe.	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#62
Fired AS WELL HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN	dballance	Dec 2012	#52
How often does that happen?	sylvi	Dec 2012	#85
Thankfully Rarely.	dballance	Dec 2012	#86
That's not what I asked.	sylvi	Dec 2012	#89
You have a few "what ifs" that are not accurate.	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#93
More in-depth interview with the terminated employee.	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#65
I would guess that he signed a standard employee agreement NOT to carry a weapon at work and so...	Walk away	Dec 2012	#76
Why	jehop61	Dec 2012	#77
Too bad he didn't have a Union to represent him and change the system if he felt it unsafe.	Tigress DEM	Dec 2012	#78
More news... Community is offering him jobs, money and a trip. Sheriff offering an award.	Glassunion	Dec 2012	#94

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