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trouble.smith

(374 posts)
30. Here we're discussing our forefather's beliefs and intentions
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:13 PM
Dec 2012

when they were all sitting down together attempting to pen our constitution and bill of rights. It is wholly appropriate to use their quotes from this same period of time to better understand what they were thinking-what their intentions were. There's nothing lame about this no matter how much you claim it to be so. What is lame, however, is to try to ignore their words in order to find the intent you want instead of the intent they actually had which is what you are doing. It's beyond lame, it's irresponsible and juvenile. It's sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "lalalalala I can't hear you". Furthermore, it's a shameful assault against this country's forefathers.

Tench Coxe was a Pennsylvania delegate to the Continental Congress. He participated in writing our constitution and our bill of rights. He penned the aforementioned quote in a letter to the Pennsylvania Gazette on Feb. 20, 1788-four months after he helped pen the final draft of the US constitution, the constitution that serves as the bed rock of this republic-the bedrock you attempt to erode by substituting his beliefs and intentions with yours.

He penned the following quote in 1789:
Whereas civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.
Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution," under the pseudonym "A Pennsylvanian" in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789.


The beliefs and intentions of Tench Coxe are undeniable. His intent is well known. You can not escape it.

Great answer, just what I was thinking before I scrolled down! TPaine7 Dec 2012 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author elleng Dec 2012 #2
Ha! Glassunion Dec 2012 #3
'Arms' elleng Dec 2012 #4
Morgan is correct in a trivial sense, Roth is correct in the way that matters petronius Dec 2012 #5
"Certainly the Framers were envisioning the technology they were aware of..." TPaine7 Dec 2012 #7
Carol mikeysnot Dec 2012 #6
Lewis and Clark carried a repeating weapon on their expedition. TPaine7 Dec 2012 #8
Anti-rights arguments... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #9
you forgot the sarcas tag. mikeysnot Dec 2012 #16
And you are flying your ignorance flag. PavePusher Dec 2012 #21
It appears that "semi-automatic" is too strong a term. But they did carry a repeating rifle, TPaine7 Dec 2012 #22
"Anti-gun arguments are very often based in ignorance of history." No shortage of that obviously N/T DonP Dec 2012 #17
Fail on yourself... Clames Dec 2012 #10
1A protects speech like criticism of the government Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #11
Their swords and every other terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of an American trouble.smith Dec 2012 #14
Patrick Henry: discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #15
The government is the PEOPLE mikeysnot Dec 2012 #23
they were using automatic weapons gejohnston Dec 2012 #25
Wait, I'm missing something here sarisataka Dec 2012 #26
according to every account I read gejohnston Dec 2012 #27
YOU RIGHT! mikeysnot Dec 2012 #31
full auto AKs are not that hard to find on the black market gejohnston Dec 2012 #32
Here we're discussing our forefather's beliefs and intentions trouble.smith Dec 2012 #30
So the Internet is not covered by the First Amendment? PavePusher Dec 2012 #20
Poof! There goes that "press" you sent your response on. Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #24
I take all my constitutional advice from reporters on low rated networks DonP Dec 2012 #12
I don't take anything from a so called reporter or journalist... ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #13
Especially not a British one who has no understanding of the Constitution he derides. PavePusher Dec 2012 #19
p0wned n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #18
I'm still trying to understand why Jenoch Dec 2012 #28
Because "some" Americans want us to become more "civilized"... MicaelS Dec 2012 #29
I wish to be a citizen, not a subject. ... spin Feb 2013 #35
Post removed Post removed Feb 2013 #33
Our founding fathers had an inkling of what firearms technology would eventually come dizbukhapeter Feb 2013 #34
Bogus interpretations out of context jimmy the one Feb 2013 #36
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