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mike_c

(36,191 posts)
26. so this guy used an otherwise "lawful gun" to violate the terms of his employment...
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:21 PM
Dec 2012

End of story. It appears that he was aware of the policy, and made a conscious choice to violate it, presumably because he thought his gung-ho approach was somehow "better" than the terms under which he was employed.

In a broader sense though, I disagree with you that the "lawful guns are not the problem." The issue is that lawful guns, like dormant viruses, are always on the verge of becoming a problem. Every UNLAWFUL gun that is a problem was once a lawful gun, and they can go from lawful to unlawful in the blink of an eye, and often do. Especially when we warp morality all out of proportion to try and keep violent behavior "lawful," as in SYG laws that legitimize lethal force to solve minor interpersonal problems.

But that's not really the point of this thread, so I won't go there. Autozone cowboy violated the terms of his employment, which he understood, so there really isn't much more to add. I'm sure you agree, being a rule abiding lawful gun owner and all.

Autozone probably worries more about being sued than catching someone who southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #1
AutoZone? Meet Papa John. You'll find him on... Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #2
If businesses did not allow guns in their stores and gunners upaloopa Dec 2012 #4
The policy didn't affect the thug, did it? Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #7
I'm not going to play your bull shit games anymore upaloopa Dec 2012 #11
In my time in this group/forum, the folks most dug-in Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #14
It many of us who tire of yours ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #20
Here's where YOUR bullshit games fail: PavePusher Dec 2012 #23
so this guy used an otherwise "lawful gun" to violate the terms of his employment... mike_c Dec 2012 #26
The sad part is that the employee had to choose ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #27
no he didn't have to choose.... mike_c Dec 2012 #33
Protecting his co-workers??? Seriously? All he did was endanger them. dballance Dec 2012 #55
"hand the criminals the money and let them leave the store." That works every time. DonP Dec 2012 #72
Well, I believe that you are mostly wrong - Never said it works "every time" dballance Dec 2012 #73
While this may not be what you intend to mean.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #75
Once again you are wrong dballance Dec 2012 #81
If "every" robbery/burglary was meet with armed resistance.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #82
Again, you provide no cogent arguments to rebut mine dballance Dec 2012 #83
I'll give you this, you know how to dodge around and attempt misdirection. PavePusher Dec 2012 #88
In response to my post about 6,000 robberies per day dballance Dec 2012 #92
So in your educated opinion what would be the minimum of training needed? oneshooter Dec 2012 #90
I Don't have an "educated opinion" on that because I'm not qualified to have one. dballance Dec 2012 #91
So what is your "uneducated" opinion should be the minimum training to obtain a CHL. oneshooter Dec 2012 #95
My Uneducated opinion is dballance Dec 2012 #96
I thank you for your honesty. oneshooter Dec 2012 #97
Did he or did he not violate company policy? Sherman A1 Dec 2012 #79
Would you agree or disagree sarisataka Dec 2012 #28
whether I agree or disagree is immaterial.... mike_c Dec 2012 #34
Nice dodge sarisataka Dec 2012 #36
He brought a weapon into the work place Sherman A1 Dec 2012 #87
Just to clarify AlexSatan Dec 2012 #43
I'm a union member and an officer in my union.... mike_c Dec 2012 #46
Of course AlexSatan Dec 2012 #47
That's the biggest bunch of BS. I hope Autozone doesn't fold and give his job back. dballance Dec 2012 #56
My question is more about absolutes sarisataka Dec 2012 #63
Let me repeat. That's a bunch of "what if" dballance Dec 2012 #66
Fair enough sarisataka Dec 2012 #68
I think you meant deaf. Glassunion Dec 2012 #70
Thanks sarisataka Dec 2012 #71
Well thank you for a good, honest debate dballance Dec 2012 #74
I have a question Glassunion Dec 2012 #69
I like that! Spryguy Dec 2012 #37
+1000 dballance Dec 2012 #57
When you're looking down the barrel of a gun sylvi Dec 2012 #84
So you feel the same way when first responders JoeyT Dec 2012 #38
I'm not going to comment on an increasingly fantastic series of "what ifs..." mike_c Dec 2012 #42
WTF? Increasingly fantastic? JoeyT Dec 2012 #49
neither were directly relevant to this incident.... mike_c Dec 2012 #50
Special pleading. JoeyT Dec 2012 #53
it's not a simple yes or no question at all-- it's another red herring.... mike_c Dec 2012 #59
I wasn't aware he'd gone out to his car JoeyT Dec 2012 #67
"conditions/rules of employment" are not "laws". PavePusher Dec 2012 #40
of course not.... mike_c Dec 2012 #41
Inadequate Security? Are you serious? dballance Dec 2012 #54
I agree with you to a point gejohnston Dec 2012 #58
Boy that's a bunch of "what if." dballance Dec 2012 #60
I didn't say otherwise gejohnston Dec 2012 #61
Just a point of clarification. Glassunion Dec 2012 #64
Someone else understands the rules aririgochou Dec 2012 #45
"...so it is a waste of te talking about it." Yet here you are again? N/T DonP Dec 2012 #25
I am sure a "no guns" policy would stop the criminals from robbing them at gun point ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #8
That's been the case for ever. It will continue to be the case. upaloopa Dec 2012 #12
Have an example of that sparky? DonP Dec 2012 #19
On a technicality that would be impossible to provide an example. Glassunion Dec 2012 #21
I'm sorry, but a poster has determined that any factually based response is "bullshit games" ... DonP Dec 2012 #22
Some business have a radically different outlook: GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #32
+1 Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #80
Not only should he have been fired... bowens43 Dec 2012 #3
Why should he have been arrested? Glassunion Dec 2012 #5
It should be against the law, and it is against all reasonable concepts of morality, TPaine7 Dec 2012 #9
We only arrest people for breaking the law. hack89 Dec 2012 #6
I agree. See post 9. n/t TPaine7 Dec 2012 #10
And this sort of thing is why JoeyT Dec 2012 #39
AutoZone should just make their company policy MORE GUNS FOR EVERYBODY! ellisonz Dec 2012 #13
You've had some... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #15
It's my breakfast of Republican souls... ellisonz Dec 2012 #16
...Republican souls... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #17
Hmmmm... TPaine7 Dec 2012 #18
Smells more like beer and whiskey to me. PavePusher Dec 2012 #24
Eat lots of fiber sarisataka Dec 2012 #29
If you are in need of a compromise... ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #30
AutoZone is worried about their liability insurance rates. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #31
+1 AlexSatan Dec 2012 #44
May he be hired at a greater wage customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #35
When my brother was managing a retail place he would have fired this guy... hunter Dec 2012 #48
This is a dupe. At least the original mentioned he VIOLATED company procedure CBGLuthier Dec 2012 #51
I did not realize this was a dupe. Glassunion Dec 2012 #62
Fired AS WELL HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN dballance Dec 2012 #52
How often does that happen? sylvi Dec 2012 #85
Thankfully Rarely. dballance Dec 2012 #86
That's not what I asked. sylvi Dec 2012 #89
You have a few "what ifs" that are not accurate. Glassunion Dec 2012 #93
More in-depth interview with the terminated employee. Glassunion Dec 2012 #65
I would guess that he signed a standard employee agreement NOT to carry a weapon at work and so... Walk away Dec 2012 #76
Why jehop61 Dec 2012 #77
Too bad he didn't have a Union to represent him and change the system if he felt it unsafe. Tigress DEM Dec 2012 #78
More news... Community is offering him jobs, money and a trip. Sheriff offering an award. Glassunion Dec 2012 #94
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