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19. You mention hunting with an assault style rifle. ...
Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:49 PM
Nov 2012

In most states where this is allowed for hunting game such as deer there are limitations on the size of the magazine that can be used (usually 5 rounds).

Obviously those who wish for another assault weapons ban never mention the magazine size limitation and prefer to insinuate that those who hunt deer with black rifles have 20, 30 or 100 round magazines in their weapons. When you have an agenda it may suit your purpose to ignore facts, exaggerate or flat out lie. (To be fair both sides of the gun control issue all too often use such tactics.)

Now I am not a hunter but I often listen to those who are. Many hunters use bolt action or lever action rifles for hunting while some use semi-auto rifles. I can see the value of a follow up shot while hunting but obviously there is the law of diminishing return when firing more than two or three rounds at a running deer. In fact any hunter that does so may endanger other hunters in the area. Therefore the five round magazine restriction is reasonable an in my opinion slightly generous.

Hunters are beginning to realize that black rifles actually do offer significant advantages over the older semi-auto rifles that have been used for hunting for generations. They are very accurate and can be easy modified to improve performance. Obviously the caliber of the ammunition normally used by the military is underpowered to take some game but black rifles are available or can easily modified to fire a more powerful and suitable round.

Wild hogs are commonly hunted in many areas of our nation and are considered pests. I believe that many states do not impose magazine limitations on the weapons used while hunting feral hogs. Wild hogs do a tremendous amount of damage to the environment as they are not native to our nation. Their meat is very tasty when prepared properly. Some hunters will tell you that hunting wild hog does involve some serious risk as they have rather sharp and nasty tusks. I have know several hunters who have told me that they had to climb a tree to avoid an angry hog. Usually the hunter who does have to climb a tree leaves his rifle or shotgun on the ground. I've talked to several wise hunters who carried a large caliber revolver as a backup. (If I ever decide to take up hunting feral hog, I may just decide to carry my S&W .44 magnum revolver as my prime weapon. Of course many people who oppose firearms will tell you that nobody hunts with a handgun.)

But you may have realized that people have used semi-auto rifles for hunting for many years and merely feel that it is not as sporting as using a single shot or a bolt action rifle. I will agree but I will point out that the biggest concern of any responsible hunter to cleanly and humanely kill game. A rapid follow up shot may stop the animal from needless suffering and is much easier to accomplish with a semi-auto rifle than with a lever action, bolt action or single shot rifle.

By a 49-4 vote in an overwhelmingly Democratic state Senate. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #1
This statement is Berserker Nov 2012 #15
That was a really lopsided vote. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #2
Because those 50 cals are REALLY dangerous... ileus Nov 2012 #3
all those Americans killed by 50s every year! krispos42 Nov 2012 #4
'Cause every thug wants to go put a $2 cap in people's asses with a $5000 rifle. n/t Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #5
... that's 5 feet long and weighs 60+ pounds ... n/t DonP Nov 2012 #6
Where are you getting $2/round .50 BMG? PavePusher Nov 2012 #24
It fell out of my butt hole. :) n/t Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #27
If that much. Clames Nov 2012 #7
shhh, they'll want to ban those next. trouble.smith Nov 2012 #9
You'll upset Hannity and the TeaBaggers! krispos42 Nov 2012 #21
I suppose there may be a few blackpowder deaths per year. ileus Nov 2012 #17
Well, well, well... derby378 Nov 2012 #8
One of mine is a .62cal. oneshooter Nov 2012 #18
Whoah! That's like, um, 24% more deadly than a .50 petronius Nov 2012 #23
The original bill he amended was to allow intrastate mail order ammo purchases DonP Nov 2012 #10
Sen. Frosh tried that trick here Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #95
Either That..... fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #11
Go read the bill... Clames Nov 2012 #12
One of Seven Responses and NONE Address This fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #28
Waaaaambulance is one thread down. Clames Dec 2012 #63
A few Illinois facts DonP Nov 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #26
Two of Seven Responses and NONE Address This fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #29
What's an "assault weapon?" derby378 Nov 2012 #14
Three of Seven Responses and NONE address this fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #30
it will do nothing to reduce gun violence. gejohnston Dec 2012 #36
Huh? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #37
who said anything about prevention? gejohnston Dec 2012 #40
I Did fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #41
more people are killed with bare hands gejohnston Dec 2012 #42
Notice fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #44
I have listed them, it simply doesn't serve gejohnston Dec 2012 #47
Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #49
gun bans do not save lives, gejohnston Dec 2012 #50
Good Grief fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #51
none of which is relevant to the discussion gejohnston Dec 2012 #64
Yes, it does make sense. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #66
Wishful Thinking fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #70
How so? Do you doubt the FBI's figures on rifle use in crime? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #78
That's because it's another of your straw men DonP Dec 2012 #38
Nah fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #39
Too bad, you might actually learn something and enjoy it DonP Dec 2012 #43
Number Nine fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #45
Its a Violence problem, not a gun problem. Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #72
Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #86
It's illogical to assume a correlation. Pacafishmate Dec 2012 #125
Ugh, fine, here ya go sir pball Dec 2012 #123
FOID = permit derby378 Dec 2012 #126
It's more registration and less licensing sir pball Dec 2012 #127
Why do antis always bring up hunting when trying to justify gun control? Dr_Scholl Nov 2012 #16
Because they believe that hunting is the ONLY legitimate reason to own a gun. friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #20
Four of Seven Responses and NONE Address This fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #31
There's no need to offer 'alternatives' to gun Prohibitionists- gun violence in the US is decreasing friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #77
Tell That To The Dead fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #83
Ah, the appeal to emotion appears... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #88
Nah..... fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #90
Sooner or later, we'll *all* join them... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #91
WHOOPS fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #35
Addressing it: Any time a blanket ban is defeated, it is a victory for liberals and Democrats. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #53
Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #55
Yelling fire in a theater when there is no fire is illegal, yes. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #57
Libel Laws Not Withstanding fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #56
Copywrite and libel are exclusive, not inclusive. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #59
Blanket Ban? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #85
Um... Well, pretty much, yes, it does. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #92
Yawn fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #93
So, your plan for reducing crime... Dr_Scholl Dec 2012 #76
Sounds like you THINK that is my plan or even true fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #84
Sounds like your plan is to do nothing but whine. Clames Dec 2012 #97
Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #98
Well you do that for others here already. Clames Dec 2012 #121
You mention hunting with an assault style rifle. ... spin Nov 2012 #19
Five of Seven Responses and NONE Address This fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #32
I personally have never owned an "assault weapon." spin Dec 2012 #62
You Write fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #99
That's because gun controll supporters don't understand the word "Compromise" DonP Dec 2012 #100
Forgo? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #102
Thanks for the confirmation on your definition of "compromise" DonP Dec 2012 #106
So You Don't Want To Compromise? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #109
How is this for a compromise? gejohnston Dec 2012 #112
New? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #114
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #118
What you seek is appeasement, not compromise. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #119
Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #120
We can discuss that the next time you actually have a gun control law that goes through Congress... DonP Dec 2012 #122
You've yet to show that the new gun control laws you want are necessary. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #124
The lack of faith that gun owners have in the motivations of many of those who favor ... spin Dec 2012 #115
How about... bobclark86 Nov 2012 #22
Six of Seven Responses and NONE Address this fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #33
The purpose of the RKBA is not hunting.. MicaelS Nov 2012 #25
Seven of Seven Responses and NONE Address This fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #34
Addressing. Straw Man Dec 2012 #46
Well fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #48
Yes, you are whining. Straw Man Dec 2012 #52
So fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #54
I don't even know what that means. Straw Man Dec 2012 #60
See Post 48 fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #67
I have often proposed alternate solutions which gun control advocates have largely ignored. ... spin Dec 2012 #58
Agree With Most fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #68
I find it interesting that you oppose firearm safety training in high school. ... spin Dec 2012 #71
You Assume fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #82
Unfortunately almost every child in our nation ... spin Dec 2012 #89
It's not a 'suggestion'- gun violence in the US *has* dropped. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #79
Upset? fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #81
If the laws Jenoch Dec 2012 #65
Agree fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #69
I'll address it, but you aren't going to like it. beevul Dec 2012 #61
"Gun violence prevention advocates" are largely gun Prohibitionists. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #80
Not Me fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #87
You mean the shootings that are at a 40-year low? Recursion Dec 2012 #94
Because Gun Violence fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #104
So do refrigerators tipping over. Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #108
Right fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #110
Bet Quinn won't be happy with this... Clames Dec 2012 #73
a lawyer who moonlights as an armed security guard gejohnston Dec 2012 #74
Yeah, Beretta Tomcat I think. Clames Dec 2012 #75
Tomcat is a .32 Straw Man Dec 2012 #96
You know what they say? DonP Dec 2012 #101
Really fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #103
it is joke referring to the round's low power gejohnston Dec 2012 #105
Don't understand the technology - don't get the jokes DonP Dec 2012 #107
Guns are funny..... fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #113
It's obvious that many people who want strong gun control do not understand ... spin Dec 2012 #116
And they wear their ignorance proudly DonP Dec 2012 #117
Well to be fair, "strong gun control" sir pball Dec 2012 #128
Well fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #111
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