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Starboard Tack

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133. As you said, he was drug addled.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:50 AM
Nov 2012

Holding a bow and arrow is not necessarily a threatening act. There is no mention of pointing it. A rapist does not usually wait for his victim at the bottom of the stairs while hie victim gets out of the shower and dresses. Nor does he walk into the street and undress on the way, while somehow still clutching his bow and arrow. The arrow, which according to you, has now become a weapon he is going to stab her with. If he were still armed, why don't we know this?
"Likely she didn't even towel off first" - Why? The body was in the street? Away from her house and property. Clothes, bow and arrow? You tell me where they were. And btw, he lived directly across the street.
Advancing toward her is not attacking. Remember she was leading him to give him money from her purse which was in the vehicle. The absurdity of a would-be rapist following his victim into the street in order to rape her is beyond ridiculous. She never claimed fear of rape. You made it up.

There shouldn't be a law, for something that SHOULD virtually have Minuscule orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #1
SYG is a self-defense law which places the burden Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #3
The problem with SYG in terms of the law is that it makes it cruelly easy to JDPriestly Nov 2012 #6
It should never be the duty of a defendant to prove innocence. PavePusher Nov 2012 #11
Fuck that,, when you assume the role of the " State " orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #13
Huh? I've assumed nothing. PavePusher Nov 2012 #19
Not you, the person who has assumed role of Judge, Jury and Executioner. orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #48
Or the person... NewMoonTherian Nov 2012 #56
I don't mean to mix SYG, protecting your-self, with the Zimmerman's with a orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #74
In a sense you're right glacierbay Nov 2012 #61
Oh, you mean criminals who attack or threaten to attack people? n/t PavePusher Nov 2012 #67
I mean anyone who takes the law in to their own hands, Criminals included. orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #73
Self-defense is not "taking the law into their own hands"..... PavePusher Nov 2012 #78
It never was about "proving" innocence Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #14
prove innocence of a crime gejohnston Nov 2012 #58
SYG did not change the legal standard about necessity ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #86
And apparently, to some at least, the illusion of a free pass. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #92
I agree that some people have illusions about the law ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #98
In the Nussbaumer case it definitely looked like legalized murder. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #102
As usual you attempt to minimize what the criminal was doing. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #123
"Naturally you side with a drug addled, armed home invading, would be rapist. " Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #125
Arrows make rather good short spears. You can stab with them. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #126
Not murder necessarily. But not justifiable homicide either. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #127
I don't side with the criminal. I concentrate on options to killing. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #128
Fresh out of the shower, I rather doubt that she had her equipment belt. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #129
I think you need to do some reality testing here. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #130
Do you have reading problems? GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #131
As you said, he was drug addled. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #133
you don't know she didn't claim it gejohnston Nov 2012 #134
There's lot we don't know. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #144
news reports rarely if ever give such details, gejohnston Nov 2012 #145
In this case, I agree she was held to a lower standard. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #146
I doubt there would be more in the media gejohnston Nov 2012 #147
In the law, self-defense is one of a number of defenses to murder. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #20
no not quite gejohnston Nov 2012 #30
You are misunderstanding key details ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #87
SYG seems to change the order in which the evidence regarding JDPriestly Nov 2012 #89
The early hearing is unique to FL ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #90
That is what I am talking about. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #95
a judge, it is a pre trial motion gejohnston Nov 2012 #96
The grand jury is a good idea in my opinion. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #118
one correction gejohnston Nov 2012 #119
The burden of proof is traditionally on the state to first prove that JDPriestly Nov 2012 #120
you don't understand how it works gejohnston Nov 2012 #121
If the defendant admits having killed the victim, JDPriestly Nov 2012 #138
As another posted, its a pretrial motion and hearing ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #99
Watch How the ProGun Group Twists This Around fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #124
I see you point, though I can't see how much would Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #46
That's not how I see it at all. Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #77
I know what you are talking about when it comes to legal fees JDPriestly Nov 2012 #81
You are completely wrong. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #122
Not big enough to withstand bullets, or the attention of a true orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #10
"Child" is used to gain some emotional high ground... Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #47
Your right as far as the misuse of the word " Child " but he was neither bent on mayhem, orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #51
We'll have to see. Zimmerman was an ass to strut around Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #75
"Researchers were unable to draw strong conclusions..." Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #2
Here's the full quote SecularMotion Nov 2012 #4
Yes. "Given the data." Time's a bitch.nt Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #9
" SYG is a measure for self - defense, NOT SOCIAL POLICY " What's the diff ???????? orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #12
Social policy is a set of laws and programs designed Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #40
Thanks for the clear description . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #45
Thanks. Whether or not you agree, too often social policy is Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #49
Agreed, General well being should be our goal . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #50
To a point. Straw Man Nov 2012 #97
As far as being Prosecuted or Shot ? orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #100
Both. Straw Man Nov 2012 #132
Bad for the state, good for the citizens... ileus Nov 2012 #5
Just because Zimmerman alledgely broke this law does not mean it is a bad law. -- If that is the Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #7
He only broke the law when the DA started worrying about the public outcry. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #16
Out of Control? Is there blood running in the streets down there? do tell -- Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #17
Yes, actually, there is blood running in the street. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #21
oh please. you are sounding hysterical and may I just say it is NOT the Law that failed but, Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #24
A difference of opinion is not hysteria. Believe me, hysterical is the last thing I am. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #25
some sunuvabitch comes into My House and gets next to My Kid Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #27
There was no jury. No charge Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #33
you named -two- cases. both with mitigating circumstances. I don't know. I need more evidence Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #42
SYG isn't the kind of law one can break. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #55
your own words trip you up --- Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #60
Exactly, that's what trials are for. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #83
no. If I am understanding this correctly, the person can claim SYG but, if the investigation Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #91
Correct, then they can try SYG again, only this time before a jury. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #93
ok then. I rest my case. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #94
Are you sure Jenoch Nov 2012 #103
How can I be sure? I'm not his lawyer. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #104
when did he claim SYG? gejohnston Nov 2012 #31
His attorney. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #34
The pre-trial SYG motion is basically a freebie. Burden of proof is only preponderance of evidence. slackmaster Nov 2012 #43
Invoking Trayvon Martin proves that the author doesn't have a clue about the subject slackmaster Nov 2012 #8
Nonsense. Zimmerman was not arrested until the community cried foul. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #15
I'm going to state my prediction here once again for the record slackmaster Nov 2012 #18
Right. That's why they had a hearing seeking a SYG free pass. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #22
It didn't cost them anything, nor did it prevent them from using other defenses slackmaster Nov 2012 #28
Apparently Zim's attorney disagrees with you. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #36
Let's see a cite to support that slackmaster Nov 2012 #41
I posted several but here we go. Down at the end of link page. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #52
As I have posted repeatedly, asking for a hearing is a gimme, a freebie slackmaster Nov 2012 #62
depends on the jury instructions gejohnston Nov 2012 #44
He is charged with 2nd degree murder. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #53
In the US, gejohnston Nov 2012 #54
Same everywhere in criminal cases. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #57
no they didn't gejohnston Nov 2012 #35
One was a preliminary hearing to convince the judge. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #37
there always is a preliminalry hearing gejohnston Nov 2012 #39
SYG should not work considering the evidence in the Zimmerman case. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #23
that is not what the evidence shows gejohnston Nov 2012 #32
while walking back to his car -- from where? JDPriestly Nov 2012 #63
So, if the evidence shows, glacierbay Nov 2012 #64
What sort of evidence would show that Zimmerman was JDPriestly Nov 2012 #71
the point is gejohnston Nov 2012 #65
If I were Zimmerman, I would seek a plea on a manslaughter JDPriestly Nov 2012 #69
that is not how it works in Florida gejohnston Nov 2012 #80
So, SYG is a horrible concept...except that Martin should have had the option? dumbledork Nov 2012 #66
Martin should have had the option as should anyone who is JDPriestly Nov 2012 #68
I remember reading that O'Mara stated that Zimmerman would JDPriestly Nov 2012 #70
you don't actually know anything about Florida do you? gejohnston Nov 2012 #82
You don't appear to understand SYG either. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #26
Claiming that the defendant's actions were justifiable or excusable is a form of legal defense slackmaster Nov 2012 #29
Of course. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #38
According to lexisnexis, his use of deadly force can be easily justified under common law tortoise1956 Nov 2012 #59
The location of the shooting will be important. JDPriestly Nov 2012 #72
that specific prosecutor has a reputation of over charging gejohnston Nov 2012 #79
I love that i have the option to stand my ground and defend myself. nt darkangel218 Nov 2012 #76
I agree... LP2K12 Nov 2012 #84
There shouldnt be any disagreement. darkangel218 Nov 2012 #85
The academic research is mixed...the task force found that there was no compelling need to change ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #88
ZIMMERSHIT SHOT DEAD COWARD STYLE AN UNARMED KID who might have grown up to cure cancer graham4anything Nov 2012 #101
Since you have found him guilty of the crime without trial. oneshooter Nov 2012 #105
There are cops that we pay stinking good taxpayer money to, who have that job graham4anything Nov 2012 #106
in the US, about 800 murders are committed with bare hands gejohnston Nov 2012 #107
Another no answer line of crap from you. Easy answer yes, or no. oneshooter Nov 2012 #108
Are you human? Or are you dancer? I can't tell, but you are a control freak, aren't you?Demanding graham4anything Nov 2012 #109
Still no answer. yes or no oneshooter Nov 2012 #110
yes or no. Why do you five NRA groupies all write the exact same phrases? graham4anything Nov 2012 #111
Are you afraid of answering a simple question. oneshooter Nov 2012 #112
Without a gun, Mr. Martin would be alive. It really is a simple answer. No gun, no dead Mr. Martin graham4anything Nov 2012 #113
Still no answer, I guess you really are afraid to answer. Like many other anti's that refuse. oneshooter Nov 2012 #114
Just like a gun bully to attempt to bully an answer. I don't even remember which question I didn't graham4anything Nov 2012 #115
To refresh your memory, it was post #105. You seem scared to answer a simple yes, no question. oneshooter Nov 2012 #117
RUN AWAY!!! RUN AWAY!!!!! He is asking simple questions!!!! RUN AWAY!!!! oneshooter Nov 2012 #135
Yes graham4anything Nov 2012 #136
Do you denounce Spike Lee and Roseanne Barr gejohnston Nov 2012 #137
NO. Spike didn't kill anyone. I don't follow Roseanne so don't know what she is about. graham4anything Nov 2012 #140
so you are OK with the two of them gejohnston Nov 2012 #141
So you are willing to kill a man you have never known? To pull the lever and drop a person, oneshooter Nov 2012 #139
If that was my job. Just like Walmart pharmacists must but don't by law dispense birthcontrol graham4anything Nov 2012 #142
But it is NOT your job. Yet you are still willing to do it. oneshooter Nov 2012 #143
He's guilty. krispos42 Nov 2012 #116
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