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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #42)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:20 PM

46. you refuted nothing

show me evidence of these felonies
that fact that you said the NRA is bad because it has a lot of white people, or any race, is racist. It is the same as saying hip hop music is bad because mostly black people listen to it. That is equally racist.

You don't have the slightest clue what castle doctrine is. Legal experts that can't tell the difference between defending yourself from vigilantism, are not legal experts. They can't even read a dictionary correctly. They are ideologues.

So you are saying defending yourself in your home is uncivilized vigilantism. You are saying that if someone breaks in to your house, while you are home, you should not have the right to defend yourself. You should try to run out the back door or die trying. You are also saying the life of the home invader is more valuable than yours.
If you disagree with what I just said, you agree with the castle doctrine and have no grasp of what it is.


Not true, there are multiple studies in multiple countries which clearly show that more people attempt suicide when a gun is available, that it is far more a recourse of impulse than other means, and that it is successful far more often. Do a little homework, starting with the studies done in Switzerland and other countries, and then moving on to the stats and studies here. The countries, like Japan, that have higher suicide rates (and there are not 'many' among similar developed countries that are higher) are countries like Japan where suicide is a very unique part of their culture, unlike any other country. I'm saying - and can back it up - that the more people who have a gun, the more of them, compared to any other group, who will attempt and succeed at suicide, yes. Guns INCREASE suicide rates. All suicide is tragic; that our gun culture leads to more of them is MORE tragic.
what those studies actually show is that suicide rates are higher in rural areas than urban areas. I have read those studies, usually written by someone starting with a conclusion and finding the data to fit the conclusion. That is equally true in Japan and South Korea as it is in the US. Stricter gun laws failed to lower suicide rates.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
Hate to break it to you, but many of the countries that have lower suicide rates, also have higher murder rates than we do. Speaking of Japan and suicide in their culture. Murder/suicide in Japan is counted differently there than most places. Murder suicides are counted as suicides. What we would count as one suicide and three murders, they would count as four suicides. The cops also have a habit of writing off cold cases as suicides. The cops there are not big on forensics, they would rather beat confessions out of suspects.

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