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In the discussion thread: President Obama: 2nd Amendment is Constitutional Right. [View all]

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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 07:35 PM

gejohnston (12,599 posts)

123. so why does USVI,

Brazil, Mexico, all have astronomical murder rates? Why didn't UK or Canadian crime and murder rates drop after passing their various gun laws? The only thing that changed was the number of suicide by gun, but not the number of suicides.

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President Obama: 2nd Amendment is Constitutional Right. [View all]	Decoy of Fenris	Nov 2012	OP
What's sad is...	LP2K12	Nov 2012	#1
Just so you and your father know, President Obama also said this:	Decoy of Fenris	Nov 2012	#2
notice: He said Criminals NOT PreCriminals are whatever is the term some Anti-2Aers have been using.	Tuesday Afternoon	Nov 2012	#5
And don't forget those pesky hidden criminals.	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#14
Obama understands the Constitution and well knows that Pro-2Aers voted for him.	Tuesday Afternoon	Nov 2012	#3
Barak Obama, Oct 16, 2012.	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2012	#4
let him see. he will be looking for a long time. betcha.	Tuesday Afternoon	Nov 2012	#8
That's irrelevant to this point.	Decoy of Fenris	Nov 2012	#9
ah, throw the poor guy a bone.	Tuesday Afternoon	Nov 2012	#12
Yep	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#15
He had to toss a bone to a vocal gun controllers	hack89	Nov 2012	#45
The impact I could see is on import firearms/ammo.	Remmah2	Nov 2012	#6
He could go on BillO's show	AlGoreRhythms	Nov 2012	#7
Obama didn't say that	Renew Deal	Nov 2012	#10
True: It was an administration official.	Decoy of Fenris	Nov 2012	#13
This ought to really piss of the Brady org.	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#11
A constitutional right on what basis? To go to war with your government?	Loudly	Nov 2012	#16
Awwwww	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#17
Well said, gb	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#74
Based on, ya know, the constitution.	Decoy of Fenris	Nov 2012	#18
What hooey.	Loudly	Nov 2012	#21
You can quit beating that horse Shares.	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#22
Yup, pretty much.	Decoy of Fenris	Nov 2012	#23
What? Why do you hate the First Amendment? And the Twenty-Fourth? n/t	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#69
+1000000	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#24
Hey there Shares...	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#19
I shall refer to our Declaration of Rights	Glaug-Eldare	Nov 2012	#33
Very good. This can't be repeated often enough.	Loudly	Nov 2012	#34
Uh... You may want to read that again, friend.	Decoy of Fenris	Nov 2012	#35
No fair citing facts to Shares United, now known as Loudly	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#37
Yes that's it exactly. You want the option of staging armed rebellion against the United States.	Loudly	Nov 2012	#38
You want to play? Let's play.	Decoy of Fenris	Nov 2012	#41
Paragraph by paragraph rebuttal.	Loudly	Nov 2012	#44
"Why the theoretical concern about your government rounding people up?"	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#70
And an appropriate response.	Decoy of Fenris	Nov 2012	#89
Much more diplomatic than my response....	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#93
Pretty silly talk from you Shares	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#43
Only basis? No.	Glaug-Eldare	Nov 2012	#36
Wrong. It is a right. And here is a liberal who agreed with that:	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#50
Some hurt feelings in his thread	former-republican	Nov 2012	#20
Oh, my GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!	VPStoltz	Nov 2012	#25
And if I find that guns make me happy?	Decoy of Fenris	Nov 2012	#26
Funny how the controllers become more and more	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#28
Your right to happiness is not unconditional.	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2012	#49
"2a absolutism" - Dishonesty in semantic redefinition isn't helping your cause.	beevul	Nov 2012	#57
I don't think I've ever gotten a serious answer	Glaug-Eldare	Nov 2012	#58
I've already provided the evidence down thread. You can exhale.	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2012	#60
You provided nothing, and called it evidence.	beevul	Nov 2012	#67
The gun control false consensus is falling apart, and they're not taking it well at all...	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#75
Indeed, happiness is not guaranteed	4th law of robotics	Nov 2012	#134
What part of what he posted do you not understand?	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#27
What kind of rights do you think the Bill of Rights refers to? nt	hack89	Nov 2012	#51
"in the bible"?	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#71
Constitutional right? Yes...	bowens43	Nov 2012	#29
Sorry dude	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#31
Uh, well, you're wrong.	Decoy of Fenris	Nov 2012	#32
Explain how your semantic construct works, using basic rules of grammar. I bet you can't. n/t	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#72
Could you list the other collective rights guaranteed in the constitution?	4th law of robotics	Nov 2012	#135
It could be gun owner suppression like voter suppression.	Thinkingabout	Nov 2012	#30
...	ellisonz	Nov 2012	#39
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#40
your examples are all examples of weapons that cannot be 'borne'.	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2012	#46
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#47
"I've never seen that."	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2012	#48
Logically, if you could post a link to where any "responsible person has ever seriously argued that	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#52
Here you go.	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2012	#53
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#55
"it's not clear whether he was being serious or not. "	Warren Stupidity	Nov 2012	#59
That's because your 'evidence' is bullshit.	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#65
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#66
As said above,	Decoy of Fenris	Nov 2012	#42
Wrong! RKBA is one of our unalienable/inalienable rights and as SCOTUS said	jody	Nov 2012	#54
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#56
That is What the Party Platform Says Along with an AWB	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#61
Since you want a AWB, what "assault weapons" would you ban? And why?	oneshooter	Nov 2012	#62
The Ones the Really Smart People Want to Ban	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#63
those are already banned or simply not sold	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#64
So you have no idea what you are supporting?	oneshooter	Nov 2012	#68
Nah	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#73
Well then, we'll just have to keep doing what we've been doing all along-	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#76
Right	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#80
Erm... About that.	Decoy of Fenris	Nov 2012	#90
Not Even Close	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#101
you are missing a couple of things	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#104
I quoted the Entire Text in Entirety and Support 100% as is.	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#107
who cares?	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#121
Other than the Use Of Guns Results in Murder and Crime	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#122
so why does USVI,	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#123
I Make No Claim to Know	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#125
only that it has nothing to do with laxer gun laws	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#127
You seem to forget what the leader of the Democratic Party said	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#100
See Post 101	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#102
You didn't 'say' anything, you simply parroted the platform.	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#110
And Once Again	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#113
So you willingly admit that you support laws that you know nothing about.	oneshooter	Nov 2012	#120
Right	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#124
why do I bother? "and keep the guns in the house." Period. End of discussion.	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#77
I don't know why you bother, either.	Union Scribe	Nov 2012	#78
Bloomberg backed Obama. He is a LIBERAL democrat from Mass in case you didn't know	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#79
You give us permission to have a gun	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#82
"Your (supposed) right to a gun stops when you take it outside."	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#94
Bloomberg is a right wing knob.	Union Scribe	Nov 2012	#169
I see our little RW authoritarian is back	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#81
someday our prince will come...and MMMM is that Prince.	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#83
Are you talking about Blooming Idiot?	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#84
guess you aren't an Obama fan. I would think you would appreciate he gave him his endorsement	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#85
You're a funny person	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#86
I expect no less from the multi-million dollar suits of the #1 lobby superPac in the world-the NRA	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#87
Another RW position	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#88
I bide my time,but Mayor Mike is the Equalizer...btw, guns are rightwing.	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#133
"btw, guns are rightwing."? Now you claim to follow a sect of animism?	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#137
you left out "in the street". (of course, because you guys have no answer for it)	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#139
"get rid of ALL guns from the street, and you get rid of gun violence 100%."	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#144
I wouldn't expect you to understand as you don't want change.You want 1850s wild west.	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#146
Mikey will be history soon enough...and it will be good riddance to repuke trash	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#140
He is a young man with billions to give away. His mother lived to be 102	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#142
much of it to keep Brown in the Senate.	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#143
What, he won't live to be a zillion? Or is he worth a zillion?	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#148
the NRA is the 1%. 98.7% of America is NOT a member of the NRA.	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#149
How many are the Brady bunch, now?	Glaug-Eldare	Nov 2012	#150
I do not care about the Brady bill-it is fundamentally flawed and can never work	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#151
Brady Campaign, not the bill.	Glaug-Eldare	Nov 2012	#152
nobody ever heard of it. As the Pet Shop Boys sang (c)Sondheim "Somewhere"	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#154
Your hero worship of a classic 1%er is both amazing and telling	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#162
Isn't it?	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#164
BTW	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#163
So far, s/he's never answered any question.	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#165
Yep	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#167
after a week or so with no lights not once did I feel I needed a gun...as Alan Jackson said in	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#168
How very fucking "Dick Cheney" of you	DonP	Nov 2012	#91
He's already on record	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#92
Which begs the question:	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#97
Beats the hell out of me.	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#99
He- Like You - Is Entitled to His Opinion	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#129
Sure, he's entitled to his own opinion	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#161
IRS audits of your political enemies? How very Nixonian.	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#111
"THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO OWNING BULLETS"	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#95
no, they are not. Arms are not legs.	graham4anything	Nov 2012	#132
The only conclusion I can draw from your "rebutal"... is that freebasing is bad for you. Good luck.	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#136
"...get rid of ALL guns outside the home....."	slackmaster	Nov 2012	#96
... and Bloomies bodyguards of course	DonP	Nov 2012	#98
It's all Bizarro, all the time, with this one.	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#138
And That Is Bad?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#108
Were you entirely sure about the government during the Nixon, Reagan, and Bush II years?	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#112
History	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#114
You're the only one here talking about "seeking to overthrow our Constitutional government"	slackmaster	Nov 2012	#171
No	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#172
I can't tell whether you are being deliberately obtuse here, so I'll just explain my position again	slackmaster	Nov 2012	#174
You Clarified Your Position	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#176
More	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#126
My issue is the the security of the state, which includes the capacity for effective self-defense	slackmaster	Nov 2012	#170
Ok	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#173
The state isn't secure unless every community, neighborhood, family, and individual are also secure	slackmaster	Nov 2012	#175
Ok	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#177
Until a Supreme Court with a different make up	upaloopa	Nov 2012	#103
so you are saying all judges are politicians in robes	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#105
Is that what he said?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#109
Not gonna happen	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#106
Ever hear of Citizens United? It over turned	upaloopa	Nov 2012	#115
Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Commerce	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#118
Hhhm	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#117
there is a difference	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#119
Based on a Compelling State Interest	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#128
but compelling state interest has to be demostrated	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#130
Huh?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#131
defending yourself is legal	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#141
No One Is 'Defending' Themselves in a Duel	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#145
there are no duels in the street, that was the point	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#147
Thankfully, the president made no reference to guns.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#116
President Obama: Making fatuous statements is a Constitutional Right.	MrModerate	Nov 2012	#153
I am a gun owning liberal democrat	beachbumbob	Nov 2012	#155
And the rate of homicides committed with "assault weapons"	Glaug-Eldare	Nov 2012	#156
its the premise that assault weapoons are being sold.	beachbumbob	Nov 2012	#157
Automobiles, fax machines, televisions,	Glaug-Eldare	Nov 2012	#158
Why did you not post your comment in a manner known to those writers?	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#160
They are quite popular in lawful game hunting.	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#159
Precise definitions matter on this topic	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#166

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