Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:13 AM

Woman shoots, kills her would-be rapist. [View all]

http://www.santafenewmexican.com/localnews/110812AlcaldeKilling#.UJudVOOe_II

Long article so I will summarize in italics, quotes are in regular font.

35 yr old woman gets gas, goes home, hears knock on door, opens door to strange man (Lawrence Sandoval), he forces his way inside, goes to kitchen and grabs knife.

She tells him to leave and runs to her bedroom. He says, "That's a good idea." and follows her. Put knife to her and begins to tear her shirt off.

“She told him to stop or she was going to shoot him,” according to the warrant, but apparently he didn't take her threat seriously: “The unknown male subject replied telling her, ‘You will not shoot me.’ ”

As Sandoval continued to push her to undress, the woman told deputies, she reached under her pillow, grabbed a loaded gun and pointed it at him. She told investigators the man “continued to come toward her placing his knee on her,” so she pulled the trigger.

Woman drops gun, (9mm Luger) runs out of home, calls 911.

Police and ambulance arrive, guy is dead, they get search warrant, seize the rest of her guns (two handguns, rifle, shotgun, and BB gun) and ammo as well as blanket from bed. They are searching for the bullet that killed him.

No charges have been filed.

Assuming that the investigation and evidence supports the story as represented, is there any question as to Sandoval's intentions or his willingness to use deadly violence to get what he wanted?

This woman had no other options except effective, violent resistance. If she had not shot him, he may well have killed her so she couldn't give a description to the police, or simply as part of his power/dominance/misogyny trip. In any event she would have been violently raped.

The ONLY thing that police could have done would have been to collect evidence after the crime. She would have been a crime statistic if she had been unarmed.

To help her, the gun had to be instantly available, loaded, with a round in the chamber. Empty, in a safe, with the ammunition in a different room would have been of no help at all to her.

She did not misidentify and shoot a family member, or herself, or anybody except a would-be rapist.

She took responsibility for her own safety and was able to save herself. It probably wasn't his first rape, bit was certainly his last attempt. Not only did she save herself, but she probably saved many future women from Sandoval.

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Woman shoots, kills her would-be rapist. [View all]	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	OP
Ugh.	Marinedem	Nov 2012	#1
Not only that but	oneshooter	Nov 2012	#8
Unsecured loaded guns? Obviously paranoid.	krispos42	Nov 2012	#10
"but apparently he didn't take her threat seriously"	holdencaufield	Nov 2012	#2
He must have been imagining to himself, "but she really WANTS it..	99th_Monkey	Nov 2012	#51
Her eyes said, "Yes, Yes..."	holdencaufield	Nov 2012	#54
can any cops or lawyers explain why take	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#3
Yeah, without charges, she has been effectively (and publicly) disarmed.	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#5
My take at this point is that media report is very flakey so its not sure if that was even done.	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#68
That's not entirely true.	Atypical Liberal	Nov 2012	#4
How uncivil.	4th law of robotics	Nov 2012	#6
Play stupid games	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#7
But why did they seize all of her guns?	krispos42	Nov 2012	#9
I read some BG on the Sheriff and his department. Not very pretty...	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#11
Angry that some uppity citizen made them look bad?	4th law of robotics	Nov 2012	#12
It does sound a little fishy.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#13
9mm makes a through shot, penetrates wall, needs search warrant to dig for it.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#16
Sounds pretty dumb to me.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#17
Small arsenal? Not even close	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#18
I must have missed the part where she's married to a hunter	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#20
that isn't a small arsenal	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#23
I didn't mean it in a disparaging way.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#25
I don't think the number of guns is relevant (and that number is reasonably small), nor the knife	petronius	Nov 2012	#26
country folks out west tend to be more trusting	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#30
I love NM, except for it's lack of a coastline.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#31
Reminds me of when I was in California	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#36
9mm Luger is a specific handgun from WW2 and is a historical collectable	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#60
the Luger is actually older	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#62
Indeed, the toggle link design has been around for some time	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#64
I used to see Parabellum when	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#66
May have lived in an apartment, no peephole, can't install one.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#19
No apartment buildings on County Rd 39 that I can see	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#28
different town	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#38
unless she rents	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#22
Clearly it's her fault	4th law of robotics	Nov 2012	#65
Given she actually DID shoot a rapist in her bedroom	Trunk Monkey	Nov 2012	#81
Would-be rapist, maybe.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#91
Yeah, women make shit like that up all the time :sarcasm:	DonP	Nov 2012	#97
I'm not suggesting anything. I'm trying to figure it out what happened, based on what we know.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#98
To help her, the gun had to be instantly available, loaded, with a round in the chamber.	misschicken	Nov 2012	#14
She didn't sound too prepared to me.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#21
I wondered about that also. Seems to me you would get the gun and then talk if you were going to	yellowcanine	Nov 2012	#128
It is interesting	Jenoch	Nov 2012	#15
What do you mean by anti-gunner? Such a meaningless word.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#24
anti-gunner is a perfectly meaningful word...	a geek named Bob	Nov 2012	#27
I doubt we have any of those types on DU	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#34
I can think of two "Total Ban" gun controllers on DU. They're vocal, and unhinged.	Decoy of Fenris	Nov 2012	#35
I know exactly who you're talking about	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#41
Maybe you'd care to share this knowledge with links.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#47
Here's one, I can't find the other that Glacier mentioned:	Decoy of Fenris	Nov 2012	#63
He defiinitely went ott in this post, I agree.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#71
Graham does not have the right ideas	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#73
I guess I'll have to read more of his posts.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#75
This message was self-deleted by its author	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#82
Had to self delete what I posted	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#85
Here's the other one I was referencing	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#70
If what he suggested were possible, I would agree with him.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#72
If ever gun in America was destroyed,	MicaelS	Nov 2012	#92
Right. I forgot about all those hi-cap semi-automatic knives.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#93
As certain people seem to be inordinately opposed to civilians owning firearms...	a geek named Bob	Nov 2012	#43
Ah yes, "certain people".	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#48
Given your apparent tone, I wish you luck in said endeavor...	a geek named Bob	Nov 2012	#55
What short term name would you prefer?	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#44
Considering the flak I got for using the short term phrase "toter"	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#50
nor is it precise	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#56
Mike is anti gun ownership.	Clames	Nov 2012	#29
You might be	Jenoch	Nov 2012	#40
I have nothing against guns. Got it.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#45
and yet you are well-reasoned, and mercifully free of casting smears...	a geek named Bob	Nov 2012	#57
Really? Maybe you should tell these guys how sensitive you are	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#59
just pointing out perspectives...	a geek named Bob	Nov 2012	#61
We actually agree on something you wrote.	Jenoch	Nov 2012	#99
Fortunately, other members don't suffer from your xenophobia.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#100
I don't know that I would	Jenoch	Nov 2012	#107
I agree that if a poster is ineligible to participate in U.S. elections and ineligible to be	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#104
No. I have no link.	Jenoch	Nov 2012	#106
Thanks.	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#108
one thing about immigration	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#58
I use "Gun Prohibitionists".	MicaelS	Nov 2012	#76
Fair enough. Not too many of those around here, if any.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#78
It is interesting in a psychoanalytical way, while perfectly predictable.	Simo 1939_1940	Nov 2012	#39
Your buddy is extreme IMO	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#46
Much better choice in your opinion only	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#74
I would make exactly the same choices if I were in your place.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#77
All good points.	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#83
I'm not so sure there would be a "lot of dead cops"	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#90
And yet those places that have some of the strongest gun laws..	MicaelS	Nov 2012	#94
Yeah, well they shouldn't. It's a 2A right	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#95
My opinion is that TPTB in these areas	MicaelS	Nov 2012	#96
"Woman drops gun, (9mm Luger) runs out of home..."	KansDem	Nov 2012	#32
True. Not too smart on several counts.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#37
In times of extreme stress, people often do stupid things. N/T	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#42
She did the right thing and I would have done exactly the same.	no_hypocrisy	Nov 2012	#33
This can't be possible. I caught "hell" from someone in a current meta thread	shadowrider	Nov 2012	#49
Didn't anyone say it yet?	PABigDaddyDemocrat	Nov 2012	#52
The story sounds fishy to me. It sounds like a well thought out murder to me.	vilify	Nov 2012	#53
While it sounds a bit pat, do not underestimate criminal stupidity	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#67
"Given the quality of the reporting, its hard to know what to believe really happened."	yellowcanine	Nov 2012	#129
The poor quality of the reporting has nothing to do with the police keeping details private during	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#135
Well yes, which is one reason lawyers tell defendants to keep their mouths shut until trial.	yellowcanine	Nov 2012	#136
Excellent defense. n/t	DWC	Nov 2012	#69
So, a woman's body DOES have a way shutting down a rape!	rock	Nov 2012	#79
LOL	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#84
We just need to make sure the government doesn't intervene	4th law of robotics	Nov 2012	#87
I will not miss him or his "Godly plan"	Blue Owl	Nov 2012	#80
No One Said that Guns Aren't Used for Defensive Reasons	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#86
more accurate to say least worst results	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#88
Ok	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#112
Not thousands, not hundreds, but only about 50 children accidentally killed per year.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#89
Wow	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#111
Balance that against those saved by guns.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#115
What Is That?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#116
If you take guns away from parents, some kids will die.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#118
Take Away Guns	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#119
You are complaining about the woman having a gun readily available.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#121
No	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#122
You are complaining about it, and claiming danger to thousands of kids.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#123
Because the Benefit You Think Exist	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#124
Therefore you want to restrict her ability to defend herself.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#125
Perhaps I Want Her To Expand Her Notion of Defending Herself	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#126
And your method of doing that is to deny her the gun. N/T	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#130
And Once Again	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#131
It is obvious from your many anti-gun posts. N/T	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#133
You will never find any post where I have said any such thing.	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#134
Has been interpreted, regulated, and subjected to legislative...	Clames	Nov 2012	#137
Hardly	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#138
" as evidenced by the hundreds if not thousands of children accidentally killed each year"	4th law of robotics	Nov 2012	#109
I stand corrected	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#110
Whenever the numbers are against you just appeal to emotion	4th law of robotics	Nov 2012	#113
No	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#114
You mean that you do not care about the suffering of the 2000 families that lost children to pools?	oneshooter	Nov 2012	#117
I'll Leave You to Compare Suffering	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#120
There is no issue here She protected herself from someone trying to do harm. Good for her.	hrmjustin	Nov 2012	#101
Sucks to be him I guess	tularetom	Nov 2012	#102
She prevented a legitimate rape from happening.	Auntie Bush	Nov 2012	#103
Saved the county the cost of a trial & state incarceration	catbyte	Nov 2012	#105
I suggest we wait for the investigation before jumping to conclusions.	yellowcanine	Nov 2012	#127
Unfortunately the media rarely follows up with a story on the investigation.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#132