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In the discussion thread: Media Ignores Call For Gun Violence Prevention In Loughner Sentencing Hearing [View all]

Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:12 PM

gejohnston (12,581 posts)

31. the NRA follows the same laws and is equally transparent

The gun control groups have no organization, no grass roots support. They have a few highly paid staffers, including one of two people holding a class one gun dealer's license in DC. Their "unpaid volunteers" are paid by the Joyce Foundation. When Paul Helmke was president, he made over $200K per year. Joyce gives them about a million per year. what Opensecrets show is only what is filed with the FEC as political contributions. If Brady is so transparent, what do they do with the money they get from Joyce? Joyce gives away $3,056,117 to various gun control groups and shill research.

The Nixon quote is very relevant, he was afraid of a grassroots force that made up at least 25 percent of the US.

Conservative pollster Frank Luntz recently provided right wingers on Capitol Hill a secret 28-page memo entitled The Language of Healthcare 2009—which has leaked! The memo was intended to offer a message framing strategy to defeat President Obama’s plan to provide health care for all. But the document is more useful to progressives than conservatives.

Dr. Frank Luntz is a right-wing spinmeister who won broad influence by acting as pollster for Newt Gingrich, helping to frame the 1994 Republican Contract with America. Over the last dozen years, corporations and conservative ideologues have paid Luntz tens of millions of dollars to craft their messages, and his research has included “hundreds of thousands of telephone interviews, hundreds of dial sessions and focus groups, and literally a million research hours.” In short, he knows what he’s talking about.

http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009051907/secret-right-wing-strategy-health-care-exposed

One more thing:
http://www.bbb.org/charity-reviews/national/health/brady-center-to-prevent-gun-violence-in-washington-dc-1136

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104 replies	Author	Time	Post
Media Ignores Call For Gun Violence Prevention In Loughner Sentencing Hearing [View all]	SecularMotion	Nov 2012	OP
Right. Nobody wants to listen to him.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#1
Loughner is a Mental Case and a call to our Nation to implement a liberal National Healthcare Policy	Tuesday Afternoon	Nov 2012	#2
Does mediamatters still employ an armed bodyguard?	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#3
Seems Like That Is Your Mantra	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#45
Unanswered questions become "mantras?" Only on the InnerTube...	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#66
I Can't speak for them	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#70
Even in D.C., since you are speaking for them?	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#76
Irrelevant	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#85
Let Me Guess	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#47
the election was about the economy	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#49
When They Do	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#52
give it a few years	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#54
It's Libertarian Side	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#58
it's there too, I'll list the whole thing	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#59
Libertarian	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#71
Shit, my deer gun is termed by the Military as a Battle Rifle. Order of magnitude more powerful	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#62
Here's a picture of an "assault weapon"	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#65
You guessed. Don't play craps. nt	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#67
Do Tell Which One is Incorrect?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#69
I have no problem with ANY of those, for various reasons.	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#73
Great Eleanors38	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#75
Opposing MediaMatters is a bad thing?	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#77
Especially when it comes to the 2A	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#78
Gosh	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#86
Neither...both are wrong in multiple areas	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#88
So just who the fuck are you to pass judgements on other Democrats?	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#81
Nice	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#83
So why do you think those who support more gun restrictions are failing so miserably?	aikoaiko	Nov 2012	#4
because of the myth that the NRA has influence?	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#5
just a few things	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#6
That's a knee-slapper	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Nov 2012	#7
The Joyce foundation has more transparency than the NRA	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#19
all of their funding partners are corporations and rich people	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#23
The Joyce foundation is quite open about their sources fo funding	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#26
CAN ANYONE SAY GUN MANUFACTURERS?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#50
with what evidence?	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#51
Could Not Have Been the Military-Industrial Complex?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#53
no, because	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#56
Just to be pedantic	sir pball	Nov 2012	#64
Joyce:	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Nov 2012	#25
Quit with the innuendo and do some research	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#8
NRA expenditures for an example - perhaps you should be doing more research?	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#9
Each of those canidates and check their opinions on gun laws	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#12
Actually, you need to read for content and understand the law better	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#14
and THAT Says It All	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#48
It says that the poster is clueless about the law and structure of these things	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#80
Other than the position and standing from a long list of candidates	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#84
You are as clueless as they are...	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#89
He/she lices in DC, which is about the same as another country. n/t	oneshooter	Nov 2012	#98
But if the actions of the NRA lead to little to no new gun control,	aikoaiko	Nov 2012	#10
If by myth, to claim that any effect they have is grossly exaggerated - YES	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#16
Then to what do you attribute the almost non-existence expansion of gun control laws?	aikoaiko	Nov 2012	#18
That question will not be answered by your interlocutor. Bet on it...	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#32
So, Bill Clinton believes in the "myth?" nt	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#24
"Grass roots groups?" That's the trouble with the gun-control outlook: It isn't grassroots...	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#22
NRA failure successfully to affect outcome of election, despite spending money	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#11
so they had a better return than Rove	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#13
Rove AND the NRA BOTH had extremely poor returns --- and in the cas of the NRA, it's not new	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#17
You don't get it	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#21
Frank Luntz is anything but full of shit	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#27
he is a right wing propagandist	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#29
Yes, grass roots	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#28
But there is no sign that the Brady campaign is having any effect	hack89	Nov 2012	#30
the NRA follows the same laws and is equally transparent	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#31
The Brady Campaign membership is outnumbered about 80:1 by the NRA	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#33
No, the NRA is a corporate sock puppegt	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#37
of course the three situations mentioned were also	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#38
I could with equal validity claim this guy is "representative of gun owners"	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#40
Sure	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#55
that doesn't help your arguement	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#57
Huh?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#101
If you follow the money to	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#102
LOL	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#103
some gave to his campaign	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#104
The NRA is one of the core founding groups of ALEC, gun control popularity	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#15
not true either	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#20
English Castle Doctrine includes a VERY strong duty to retreat, always has	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#35
how about learning current gun laws and comparing them to the Luntz poll	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#36
doesn't matter why	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#42
The fact that one can create a webpage dedicated to shootings at walmarts	ManiacJoe	Nov 2012	#43
you refuted nothing	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#46
On what screwed up, backward planet is self-defense equated to law enforcement?	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#60
It has everything to do with it	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#82
your knowledge of the Martin case is not accuate in any way	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#87
Where do you come up with this nonsense...	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#90
"In case after case"?	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#92
And another non-factual claim:	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#93
'numerous' is my favorite made up statistic.	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#94
WalMart most certainly doesn't sell	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#63
They've demonstrated yet again gun control advocacy is religious in nature.	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#74
Actually the details matter, and you are are yet to get many of them correct	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#79
Out of control hyperbole again.	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#61
There should be absolutely NO Duty to Retreat from your own home, none.	MicaelS	Nov 2012	#68
Frank Luntz, as in "Words That Work: It's Not What You Say, It's What People Hear"?	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#34
Helps if you present your case honestly.	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#39
But if he did that, then he would have no case.	oneshooter	Nov 2012	#41
Brady - Gifford	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#44
There is no broad bipartisan support for gun control, not much grass roots support for it either	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#91
Ok	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#95
I would not be so sure about that	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#96
Voted On By Everyone at Convention	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#97
Its Pro Forma and little more	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#99
Here is that 'Pro Forma' Statement in Platform	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#100
It seems to me that if	Jenoch	Nov 2012	#72

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