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In the discussion thread: Media Ignores Call For Gun Violence Prevention In Loughner Sentencing Hearing [View all]

Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:04 PM

gejohnston (12,581 posts)

20. not true either

The NRA is who was responsible for the NICS being made VOLUNTARY, not mandatory; as a result some 30 states have zero, or at best incomplete submission of data to that database, and each state own the data not the data base. One of the single worst categories for compliance is in submission of data on violent convicted felons and on those adjudicated dangerously mentally ill.

Not true either. NICS mandatory, some states does their own background checks, others forward them to the FBI. Also, forwarding records to the FBI is the responsibility of the states, that is how our federal system works, unfunded mandates are not allowed under system. That is how part of the original Brady law got struck down, unfunded mandates on local LEO, violating the 10A.

Everything in the Frank Luntz poll is current law on either the federal level or most states. IOW, it supports the status quo.

The NRA is NOT against guns in the hands of dangerous people; they oppose law enforcement at every turn, including the promotion of carry laws and castle doctrine legislation like the shoot first laws that have resulted in more, not fewer firearms deaths.

Canada has castle doctrine, it dates back to English common law. Carry laws have nothing to do with violent crimes.

Newspapers are not "well documented"

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104 replies	Author	Time	Post
Media Ignores Call For Gun Violence Prevention In Loughner Sentencing Hearing [View all]	SecularMotion	Nov 2012	OP
Right. Nobody wants to listen to him.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#1
Loughner is a Mental Case and a call to our Nation to implement a liberal National Healthcare Policy	Tuesday Afternoon	Nov 2012	#2
Does mediamatters still employ an armed bodyguard?	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#3
Seems Like That Is Your Mantra	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#45
Unanswered questions become "mantras?" Only on the InnerTube...	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#66
I Can't speak for them	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#70
Even in D.C., since you are speaking for them?	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#76
Irrelevant	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#85
Let Me Guess	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#47
the election was about the economy	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#49
When They Do	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#52
give it a few years	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#54
It's Libertarian Side	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#58
it's there too, I'll list the whole thing	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#59
Libertarian	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#71
Shit, my deer gun is termed by the Military as a Battle Rifle. Order of magnitude more powerful	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#62
Here's a picture of an "assault weapon"	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#65
You guessed. Don't play craps. nt	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#67
Do Tell Which One is Incorrect?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#69
I have no problem with ANY of those, for various reasons.	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#73
Great Eleanors38	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#75
Opposing MediaMatters is a bad thing?	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#77
Especially when it comes to the 2A	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#78
Gosh	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#86
Neither...both are wrong in multiple areas	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#88
So just who the fuck are you to pass judgements on other Democrats?	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#81
Nice	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#83
So why do you think those who support more gun restrictions are failing so miserably?	aikoaiko	Nov 2012	#4
because of the myth that the NRA has influence?	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#5
just a few things	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#6
That's a knee-slapper	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Nov 2012	#7
The Joyce foundation has more transparency than the NRA	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#19
all of their funding partners are corporations and rich people	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#23
The Joyce foundation is quite open about their sources fo funding	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#26
CAN ANYONE SAY GUN MANUFACTURERS?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#50
with what evidence?	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#51
Could Not Have Been the Military-Industrial Complex?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#53
no, because	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#56
Just to be pedantic	sir pball	Nov 2012	#64
Joyce:	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Nov 2012	#25
Quit with the innuendo and do some research	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#8
NRA expenditures for an example - perhaps you should be doing more research?	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#9
Each of those canidates and check their opinions on gun laws	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#12
Actually, you need to read for content and understand the law better	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#14
and THAT Says It All	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#48
It says that the poster is clueless about the law and structure of these things	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#80
Other than the position and standing from a long list of candidates	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#84
You are as clueless as they are...	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#89
He/she lices in DC, which is about the same as another country. n/t	oneshooter	Nov 2012	#98
But if the actions of the NRA lead to little to no new gun control,	aikoaiko	Nov 2012	#10
If by myth, to claim that any effect they have is grossly exaggerated - YES	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#16
Then to what do you attribute the almost non-existence expansion of gun control laws?	aikoaiko	Nov 2012	#18
That question will not be answered by your interlocutor. Bet on it...	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#32
So, Bill Clinton believes in the "myth?" nt	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#24
"Grass roots groups?" That's the trouble with the gun-control outlook: It isn't grassroots...	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#22
NRA failure successfully to affect outcome of election, despite spending money	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#11
so they had a better return than Rove	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#13
Rove AND the NRA BOTH had extremely poor returns --- and in the cas of the NRA, it's not new	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#17
You don't get it	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#21
Frank Luntz is anything but full of shit	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#27
he is a right wing propagandist	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#29
Yes, grass roots	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#28
But there is no sign that the Brady campaign is having any effect	hack89	Nov 2012	#30
the NRA follows the same laws and is equally transparent	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#31
The Brady Campaign membership is outnumbered about 80:1 by the NRA	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#33
No, the NRA is a corporate sock puppegt	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#37
of course the three situations mentioned were also	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#38
I could with equal validity claim this guy is "representative of gun owners"	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#40
Sure	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#55
that doesn't help your arguement	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#57
Huh?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#101
If you follow the money to	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#102
LOL	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#103
some gave to his campaign	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#104
The NRA is one of the core founding groups of ALEC, gun control popularity	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#15
not true either	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#20
English Castle Doctrine includes a VERY strong duty to retreat, always has	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#35
how about learning current gun laws and comparing them to the Luntz poll	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#36
doesn't matter why	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#42
The fact that one can create a webpage dedicated to shootings at walmarts	ManiacJoe	Nov 2012	#43
you refuted nothing	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#46
On what screwed up, backward planet is self-defense equated to law enforcement?	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#60
It has everything to do with it	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#82
your knowledge of the Martin case is not accuate in any way	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#87
Where do you come up with this nonsense...	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#90
"In case after case"?	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#92
And another non-factual claim:	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#93
'numerous' is my favorite made up statistic.	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#94
WalMart most certainly doesn't sell	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#63
They've demonstrated yet again gun control advocacy is religious in nature.	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#74
Actually the details matter, and you are are yet to get many of them correct	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#79
Out of control hyperbole again.	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#61
There should be absolutely NO Duty to Retreat from your own home, none.	MicaelS	Nov 2012	#68
Frank Luntz, as in "Words That Work: It's Not What You Say, It's What People Hear"?	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#34
Helps if you present your case honestly.	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#39
But if he did that, then he would have no case.	oneshooter	Nov 2012	#41
Brady - Gifford	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#44
There is no broad bipartisan support for gun control, not much grass roots support for it either	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#91
Ok	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#95
I would not be so sure about that	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#96
Voted On By Everyone at Convention	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#97
Its Pro Forma and little more	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#99
Here is that 'Pro Forma' Statement in Platform	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#100
It seems to me that if	Jenoch	Nov 2012	#72

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