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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:44 PM

11. NRA failure successfully to affect outcome of election, despite spending money

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/08/nra_also_lost_big_on_election_day/

The Sunlight Foundation analyzed election spending by the National Rifle Association, and determined that the group had a less than 1 percent return on its more than $11 million investment.

The study, based on FEC reporting, found that the NRA backed 27 winning candidates, but only 0.42 percent of the $11,787,523 it spent on the election went to those candidates. Instead, 78 percent of the money went to opposing Democrats. From the report:

- 0.81% of $10,955,688 spent in the general election and ending in the desired result.
- Supported 27 winning candidates ; 0.42% of money went to supporting winning candidates.
- Opposed 5 losing candidates; 0.39% of money went to opposing losing candidates.

Sunlight also highlights that the Karl Rove-tied American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS poured over $200 million into the elections, but supported no winning candidates.

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104 replies	Author	Time	Post
Media Ignores Call For Gun Violence Prevention In Loughner Sentencing Hearing [View all]	SecularMotion	Nov 2012	OP
Right. Nobody wants to listen to him.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#1
Loughner is a Mental Case and a call to our Nation to implement a liberal National Healthcare Policy	Tuesday Afternoon	Nov 2012	#2
Does mediamatters still employ an armed bodyguard?	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#3
Seems Like That Is Your Mantra	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#45
Unanswered questions become "mantras?" Only on the InnerTube...	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#66
I Can't speak for them	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#70
Even in D.C., since you are speaking for them?	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#76
Irrelevant	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#85
Let Me Guess	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#47
the election was about the economy	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#49
When They Do	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#52
give it a few years	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#54
It's Libertarian Side	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#58
it's there too, I'll list the whole thing	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#59
Libertarian	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#71
Shit, my deer gun is termed by the Military as a Battle Rifle. Order of magnitude more powerful	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#62
Here's a picture of an "assault weapon"	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#65
You guessed. Don't play craps. nt	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#67
Do Tell Which One is Incorrect?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#69
I have no problem with ANY of those, for various reasons.	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#73
Great Eleanors38	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#75
Opposing MediaMatters is a bad thing?	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#77
Especially when it comes to the 2A	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#78
Gosh	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#86
Neither...both are wrong in multiple areas	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#88
So just who the fuck are you to pass judgements on other Democrats?	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#81
Nice	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#83
So why do you think those who support more gun restrictions are failing so miserably?	aikoaiko	Nov 2012	#4
because of the myth that the NRA has influence?	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#5
just a few things	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#6
That's a knee-slapper	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Nov 2012	#7
The Joyce foundation has more transparency than the NRA	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#19
all of their funding partners are corporations and rich people	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#23
The Joyce foundation is quite open about their sources fo funding	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#26
CAN ANYONE SAY GUN MANUFACTURERS?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#50
with what evidence?	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#51
Could Not Have Been the Military-Industrial Complex?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#53
no, because	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#56
Just to be pedantic	sir pball	Nov 2012	#64
Joyce:	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Nov 2012	#25
Quit with the innuendo and do some research	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#8
NRA expenditures for an example - perhaps you should be doing more research?	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#9
Each of those canidates and check their opinions on gun laws	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#12
Actually, you need to read for content and understand the law better	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#14
and THAT Says It All	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#48
It says that the poster is clueless about the law and structure of these things	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#80
Other than the position and standing from a long list of candidates	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#84
You are as clueless as they are...	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#89
He/she lices in DC, which is about the same as another country. n/t	oneshooter	Nov 2012	#98
But if the actions of the NRA lead to little to no new gun control,	aikoaiko	Nov 2012	#10
If by myth, to claim that any effect they have is grossly exaggerated - YES	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#16
Then to what do you attribute the almost non-existence expansion of gun control laws?	aikoaiko	Nov 2012	#18
That question will not be answered by your interlocutor. Bet on it...	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#32
So, Bill Clinton believes in the "myth?" nt	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#24
"Grass roots groups?" That's the trouble with the gun-control outlook: It isn't grassroots...	Eleanors38	Nov 2012	#22
NRA failure successfully to affect outcome of election, despite spending money	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#11
so they had a better return than Rove	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#13
Rove AND the NRA BOTH had extremely poor returns --- and in the cas of the NRA, it's not new	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#17
You don't get it	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#21
Frank Luntz is anything but full of shit	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#27
he is a right wing propagandist	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#29
Yes, grass roots	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#28
But there is no sign that the Brady campaign is having any effect	hack89	Nov 2012	#30
the NRA follows the same laws and is equally transparent	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#31
The Brady Campaign membership is outnumbered about 80:1 by the NRA	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#33
No, the NRA is a corporate sock puppegt	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#37
of course the three situations mentioned were also	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#38
I could with equal validity claim this guy is "representative of gun owners"	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#40
Sure	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#55
that doesn't help your arguement	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#57
Huh?	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#101
If you follow the money to	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#102
LOL	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#103
some gave to his campaign	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#104
The NRA is one of the core founding groups of ALEC, gun control popularity	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#15
not true either	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#20
English Castle Doctrine includes a VERY strong duty to retreat, always has	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#35
how about learning current gun laws and comparing them to the Luntz poll	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#36
doesn't matter why	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#42
The fact that one can create a webpage dedicated to shootings at walmarts	ManiacJoe	Nov 2012	#43
you refuted nothing	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#46
On what screwed up, backward planet is self-defense equated to law enforcement?	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#60
It has everything to do with it	Dog Gone at Penigma	Nov 2012	#82
your knowledge of the Martin case is not accuate in any way	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#87
Where do you come up with this nonsense...	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#90
"In case after case"?	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#92
And another non-factual claim:	PavePusher	Nov 2012	#93
'numerous' is my favorite made up statistic.	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#94
WalMart most certainly doesn't sell	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#63
They've demonstrated yet again gun control advocacy is religious in nature.	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#74
Actually the details matter, and you are are yet to get many of them correct	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#79
Out of control hyperbole again.	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#61
There should be absolutely NO Duty to Retreat from your own home, none.	MicaelS	Nov 2012	#68
Frank Luntz, as in "Words That Work: It's Not What You Say, It's What People Hear"?	friendly_iconoclast	Nov 2012	#34
Helps if you present your case honestly.	AtheistCrusader	Nov 2012	#39
But if he did that, then he would have no case.	oneshooter	Nov 2012	#41
Brady - Gifford	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#44
There is no broad bipartisan support for gun control, not much grass roots support for it either	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#91
Ok	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#95
I would not be so sure about that	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#96
Voted On By Everyone at Convention	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#97
Its Pro Forma and little more	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#99
Here is that 'Pro Forma' Statement in Platform	fightthegoodfightnow	Nov 2012	#100
It seems to me that if	Jenoch	Nov 2012	#72

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