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Response to Decoy of Fenris (Reply #41)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 12:03 PM

44. Paragraph by paragraph rebuttal.

Why the theoretical concern about your government rounding people up? Access to guns and ammo is reaping the actual deaths and wounding of minorities and women every day, in a perfectly demonstrable way. You seem to think it's worth it to them to suffer that damage in order to "protect" them from some very vague, unlikely threat. Armed hate groups are as big "gun rights" supporters as you are.

If home-owned weapons aren't the basis for armed rebellion, then what are we arguing about? What is 2A jurisprudence all about? If you agree that military style weapons stored at an armory is the full extent of what the 2A ever referred to, then why persist in the delusion that you have a "right" to own a gun?

I can appreciate having an affinity for a hobby. But you ought to concede that America's political indulgence of your hobby does not and can never rise to the level of a "right." Collectors of child pornography had a hobby too, until public policy identified it as sufficiently harmful to cease to tolerate. We did so despite the 1A and with extreme prejudice once we mustered the will to shut it down.

Don't equate freedom with empowerment to conveniently kill and wound. A gunshot victim does not have any say in the matter, except in the case of suicide, which guns and ammo clearly enable.

If I am so wrong and so conservative in the worst sense of the word, why is it you who sounds just like the posters over at FR on this issue? To them, nothing is more important than preserving their access to guns and ammo. To them, no degree of suffering or cost to society can possibly justify curtailing it. Yeah, sorry. You sound just like them.

Thanks, that was enjoyable. Damned frustrating though.

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