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GreenStormCloud

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29. A few corrections for you.
Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:48 PM
Nov 2012
Most criminals with guns don't want to kill. They want your money, or your iPhone, or your credit card, or that Glock they caught sight of under your sweater.
Each situation must be judged by itself. In this one, the bad guys opened fire, shooting the owner, as soon as they came in the door. That clearly established that they were in a killing mood, and that everyone's life was in real danger. You seem to have difficulty understanding that the criminals started the shooting.

Most aren't trained. They're probably afraid of their own weapons (that's a surmise). They may be wired on meth. Which makes them extremely dangerous, more likely to do something really stupid. If they do kill someone, they've nothing more to lose by killing everyone. Why leave a witness?

And in such a situation you want innocent civilians to rely on the tender mercies of thugs who have already used deadly force on someone? How many people must be shot before you graciously give a citizen permission to fight for his life?

Fire fights in restaurants? Movie theaters? Schools? Parking lots? Freeways?
Or churches, stores, etc. Anywere a thug places you in deadly danger.

The temptation to pull on a bad guy aiming a gun at someone else is enormous. Be a hero. Save the day.
Not merely aiming - SHOOTING. You are having great difficulty in understanding that the thugs had already opened fire. When the thugs have already started shooting, your own life is in danger.

And that guy in Detroit, pulling on two armed bad guys, one holding a shotgun?

Not smart.

Yeah. He killed one bad guy. And got some pellets before the shotgun dude fled.


He had no choice. The bad guys had already started shooting. Do you think he should have sat passively and waited to be shot in turn? Once the bad guys start shooting, all bets are off. It is then time to fight for your life.

But it could have gone another way, had the man with the shotgun used it to blow the place and everyone inside into smithereens.

Could have, but it didn't. Thugs almost always run away when bullets start coming their way. It is extremely rare that they stand and fight.

You are confusing self-defense with agression.
It's DETROIT JustFiveMoreMinutes Nov 2012 #1
And for some reason, you believe that requiring the gun carrier to Swamp Lover Nov 2012 #2
<tic> Tongue in Cheek JustFiveMoreMinutes Nov 2012 #4
Lets look at this one item at a time, shall we? oneshooter Nov 2012 #7
The problem with those who claim to be defenders "Gun Rights"* Swamp Lover Nov 2012 #31
More ignorance. Let's take this one at a time. Clames Nov 2012 #32
Can you say sock puppet for a well known member glacierbay Nov 2012 #33
Please don't get me wrong. I am not against responsible, reasonable gun ownership. Swamp Lover Nov 2012 #35
"guns" is a subset of "arms", and one of the most efficient to use. PavePusher Nov 2012 #40
couple of problems gejohnston Nov 2012 #34
Sorry, no sense in this... Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #27
Yet another popular myth torn apart by empirical evidence 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #3
You are confusing empirical evidence with anecdotal evidence. Swamp Lover Nov 2012 #6
Except I wasn't referring to simply this incident 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #16
Lies...all lies.....baser rude toter shooting innocent armed robber. ileus Nov 2012 #5
I gotta think if just one person there had had a can of beans none of this would have happened . . . 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #17
And the other robber returned fire with a frickin' shotgun rablrouzer Nov 2012 #8
Maybe you should re-read the story glacierbay Nov 2012 #9
The bad guys started shooting first. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #10
Blame? rablrouzer Nov 2012 #18
You are mis-reading the article. (Admittedly, it's very poorly written.) PavePusher Nov 2012 #19
The bad guys shot first. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #20
.410 ? rablrouzer Nov 2012 #23
So the law abiding citizen with the CC permit glacierbay Nov 2012 #24
So you're saying he would have sprayed fire randomly? Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #25
Self-defense is now "escalated"? PavePusher Nov 2012 #36
Why don't you provide proof glacierbay Nov 2012 #21
The bad guys (plural) have the entire blame. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #41
Billy Joe was looking for trouble. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #11
Those of us who are legally armed rablrouzer Nov 2012 #22
That post is error-ridden and needs a thorough fisking, so I'll provide it: friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #26
A few corrections for you. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #29
What the hell is wrong with some of these people!!! (Venting follows) DonP Nov 2012 #30
I think this one is here to pick a fight. PavePusher Nov 2012 #38
Doesn't seem quite stupid enough ... but awful damn close DonP Nov 2012 #39
"I'm more likely to hurt myself or innocent by-standers if I go vigilante." PavePusher Nov 2012 #37
Serious question: Were you high when you posted that? n/t PavePusher Nov 2012 #13
Your prohibitionism has been shown not to work. Note Cash and his guns... Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #28
This must be a MSM lie. After all, the anti's routinely tell us... PavePusher Nov 2012 #12
Hope the other alleged robber who fled the scene is charged with murder OakCliffDem Nov 2012 #14
Mass murder shooting spree prevented by CCW permittee krispos42 Nov 2012 #15
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