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In reply to the discussion: Assault Weapons Ban supporter wins presidency, crushing NRA-backed right-winger!!! [View all]Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)53. Because I'm not going to allow what someone chooses to do to themselves affect ME.
Why is that?
Because I'm not going to allow what people choose to do to themselves be used as an excuse to enact policies that affect ME.
Especially when people who commit suicide one way can easily do so another way.
Public health experts include suicides when they discuss the gun violence epidemic.
Good for them. I don't. The only violence I care about is when someone victimizes someone else. What you choose to do to yourself is your own business.
Guns are far more lethal than other suicide methods, and also easier.
Of course guns are lethal, especially at point-blank range on a non-moving target. I have heard that most suicides are cries for help where the person does not really intend to kill themselves. I submit that people who use a gun are really serious about the endeavor.
Someone that serious about the endeavor can easily find another, equally effective method to kill themselves.
Studies on suicide have repeatedly found that access to a gun is a significant contributing factor to suicide.
Fine. I still am not interested in any policy decisions that affect me because of the actions people choose to do to themselves. My same rationale applies to why I think drugs should be legal. If people choose to do things harmful to themselves, that's their choice, the ultimate freedom.
Because I'm not going to allow what people choose to do to themselves be used as an excuse to enact policies that affect ME.
Especially when people who commit suicide one way can easily do so another way.
Public health experts include suicides when they discuss the gun violence epidemic.
Good for them. I don't. The only violence I care about is when someone victimizes someone else. What you choose to do to yourself is your own business.
Guns are far more lethal than other suicide methods, and also easier.
Of course guns are lethal, especially at point-blank range on a non-moving target. I have heard that most suicides are cries for help where the person does not really intend to kill themselves. I submit that people who use a gun are really serious about the endeavor.
Someone that serious about the endeavor can easily find another, equally effective method to kill themselves.
Studies on suicide have repeatedly found that access to a gun is a significant contributing factor to suicide.
Fine. I still am not interested in any policy decisions that affect me because of the actions people choose to do to themselves. My same rationale applies to why I think drugs should be legal. If people choose to do things harmful to themselves, that's their choice, the ultimate freedom.
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Assault Weapons Ban supporter wins presidency, crushing NRA-backed right-winger!!! [View all]
DanTex
Nov 2012
OP
You are actually the first I have seen who has made any statements like these:
ThatPoetGuy
Nov 2012
#5
it is Not that rights have limits, it is That rights have Responsibilities.
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2012
#109
You've either got a memory problem, or your pants are on fire. Which is it?
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2012
#127
There is no "gun violence epidemic" - That is a myth being pushed by authoritarian extremists
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#9
No it isn't; it's just more reported by the media. Mass murder is indeed down. n/t
Decoy of Fenris
Nov 2012
#11
The headline on that piece is disingenuous. "Not down" does not mean the same as "up."
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#94
The Washington Post recently cited some actual research that debunks that claim
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#16
Actually, it's a statistical reality recognized by leading public health experts.
DanTex
Nov 2012
#15
Whatever anyone else says, the FBI's hard numbers show crime rates decreasing
slackmaster
Nov 2012
#17
Interesting. I see that even you understand that what you are saying is so preposterous
DanTex
Nov 2012
#59
No, I just figured you'd alert and, failing that, run to Meta to cry about it.
Decoy of Fenris
Nov 2012
#65
I was talking about the extent of the gun violence epidemic when you entered the conversation.
DanTex
Nov 2012
#107
You converted a complex phenomena into a black and white cartoon with guns as the main villain
hack89
Nov 2012
#113
There's also plenty of evidence that shows gun ownership doesn't matter.
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2012
#121
Any time you include suicides in this discussion you've just lost the debate.
Atypical Liberal
Nov 2012
#42
Because I'm not going to allow what someone chooses to do to themselves affect ME.
Atypical Liberal
Nov 2012
#53
Then why do these countries with stricter gun laws have higher suicide rates than the US?
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2012
#117
He doesn't give a shit about non-gun suicides or traffic deaths- they don't help his case.
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2012
#122
By your lights, President Obama has a "silly grade-school understanding of civil liberties"
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2012
#130
It is a mental health issue (suicides) and a criminal justice issue (violent crimes)
hack89
Nov 2012
#39
not quite, it is a couple of ideolouges and departments who get grants from from
gejohnston
Nov 2012
#32
Odd. "Public Health Law Research" finds all of his proposals inconclusive.
Decoy of Fenris
Nov 2012
#37
Repeatedly asserting is not "making clear", no matter how *you* feel about the subject.
friendly_iconoclast
Nov 2012
#123
All that means is there will be a HUGE run on guns and ammo, stimulating the economy
rl6214
Nov 2012
#48
The NRA sunk millions into the election, calling Obama the most anti-gun president ever.
DanTex
Nov 2012
#98
"and start to do something about the 30,000 people who die every year from gun violence"
EX500rider
Nov 2012
#144