Gun Control & RKBA

ProgressiveProfessor

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29. The 2nd amendment, state constitutions, and court decisions scarcely count as soundbites

Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:04 AM

Oct 2012

Since this concerns you so, I suggest you work on the root causes for violence in our society (clue, its not guns). When you solve that, many people will not feel a need to carry weapons for self defense and guns will be for the sportsman, police, military. Your goals would be achomplished in a positive manner that respects people's rights.

Note that attempting to remove forcibly remove or deny firearms has been historically rooted in classism and racism. In other words TPTB are forever trying to disarm the poor and minorities so they cannot resist.

And remember, private ownership of firearms is and remains a progressive vale.

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"Criminals Will Always Get Guns" is a Poor Argument [View all] mikeb302000 Oct 2012 OP

+zillion trillion million Biggest strawman the NRA/gun lovers use is this one graham4anything Oct 2012 #1

"all guns are manufactured to kill something or someone" holdencaufield Oct 2012 #2

thanks for agreeing with me. graham4anything Oct 2012 #3

"Days of Native Americans are over" my ass. MicaelS Oct 2012 #36

Went Turkey hunting 2 weeks ago, a 25 pounder, used a .410 shotgun glacierbay Oct 2012 #41

Subsistence hunting is a tiny fraction of overall hunting. mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #123

Sez you. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #138

So what? As long as it's legal, MicaelS Oct 2012 #140

no, it is about culture gejohnston Oct 2012 #141

Are you also a hunting prohibitionist? nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #148

The voice of privilege speaks! Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #40

for hunting-well, the supermarket has plenty of food gejohnston Oct 2012 #42

Self-defense is often required outside the home. PavePusher Oct 2012 #43

You seem to be claiming that supermarkets are morally superior to hunting.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #46

"doesn't require a weapon of mass destruction" EX500rider Oct 2012 #76

"it doesn't make me less of a man to live to file the insurance claim the next day" EX500rider Oct 2012 #78

they would do the same if I have a gun graham4anything Oct 2012 #84

So it's obvious you don't believe in the jury system either DonP Oct 2012 #95

Zimmerman was judge jury execution. love how you twist things around graham4anything Oct 2012 #96

Actually the law reads of the defendant's peers, not the victim's peers ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #98

Twist things! Hey dummy, you're the one that doesn't want to bother with a trial DonP Oct 2012 #105

Major error, here... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #149

Mine are mostly defective it seems... ileus Oct 2012 #5

I hunt and use a handgun for selfdefense. safeinOhio Oct 2012 #6

Right on. I love gun owners like you. nt mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #124

I nominate this for misinformed post of the month. Any one second this? Remmah2 Oct 2012 #17

I'll second that glacierbay Oct 2012 #26

Aye n/t Clames Oct 2012 #27

you are the #1 groupie of this gun thread, real big surprise which vote you take.LOL graham4anything Oct 2012 #34

So are you stalking me now? glacierbay Oct 2012 #39

He's also a bit hypocritical... Clames Oct 2012 #45

except as my bio says, 100% of mine are anti-NRA & anti gun. I mince no words. graham4anything Oct 2012 #61

You also make little sense and your rantings prove you are grossly uneducated on the subject... Clames Oct 2012 #101

Wait a minute, I thought I was #1. PavePusher Oct 2012 #47

I will gladly trade you the #1 spot today for a hamburger on Tuesday. glacierbay Oct 2012 #48

you'll probably get alerted on for this post. ileus Oct 2012 #50

It certainly wouldn't surprise me if all of our posts glacierbay Oct 2012 #51

Thats going to jury... ileus Oct 2012 #58

I see someone cried enough. ileus Oct 2012 #69

Stop selling FEAR!!!!1!11! PavePusher Oct 2012 #52

What's you point? EX500rider Oct 2012 #81

the point is graham4anything Oct 2012 #83

Actually the whole thing is about the democratic process. Remmah2 Oct 2012 #137

The post was about "criminals getting guns anyway" being bullshit. mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #125

Pay attention to the sub-threads. Remmah2 Oct 2012 #136

Aye. (Hey, do you think we'll be canned for 'calling out'?) Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #150

The 2nd amendment, state constitutions, and court decisions scarcely count as soundbites ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #29

you are correct-disarm the racists that hate blacks, I agree.Lets rid the world of racism. graham4anything Oct 2012 #33

Disarming racists does not make them non-racist, or end racism. PavePusher Oct 2012 #49

do I know U? graham4anything Oct 2012 #59

I'm not sure. What is CGCS? PavePusher Oct 2012 #74

was the offshoot of the official Kerry board started the week after Kerry lost in 2004 graham4anything Oct 2012 #79

Then that would be a "no". PavePusher Oct 2012 #86

Except it is you and your fellow 1%ers want to disarm everyone ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #62

Actually, did you know that the main benefactor of MMM's superpac funds is Angus King? graham4anything Oct 2012 #64

Which has nothing to do with your declared intent to disarm people, including those who need it most ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #67

imagine the Million Man March as opposed to the Teaparty idiots.Remember Danzinger Bridge graham4anything Oct 2012 #70

The NRA, for all their faults/foibles, have had nothing to do with shooting anyone. PavePusher Oct 2012 #77

the NRA does, and its too bad they are not taken to task in court trials graham4anything Oct 2012 #80

Really not sure what you are trying to say here. PavePusher Oct 2012 #87

Danzinger Bridge is not what this thread is about ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #90

any point that is against guns is not part of a thread, according to all of you graham4anything Oct 2012 #92

Not sure what you have more of, hyperbole or strawmen ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #97

"John Birch Society is proven racist" holdencaufield Oct 2012 #120

It's not an either/or situation mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #126

Not until it is safe for the good people to disarm ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #139

Funny. Sanford Levinson made much the same argument. Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #32

"...the NRA, which is the #1 lobby group in the nation..." sylvi Oct 2012 #119

thanks Graham. nt mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #122

I thought everyone with a gun was a criminal... ileus Oct 2012 #4

Too many would still be able to get guns and otherwise victimize innocent people aikoaiko Oct 2012 #7

How would registration of handguns and safeinOhio Oct 2012 #8

Much like overly strict voter registration. aikoaiko Oct 2012 #11

Because it gives the govt glacierbay Oct 2012 #21

your definition of reasonable/common sense is different than his gejohnston Oct 2012 #23

No one's talking about stripping people of anything. nt mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #127

Is this not your goal? aikoaiko Oct 2012 #133

Oh, now I get it mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Oct 2012 #146

I'm against you creating mountains out of molehills.... aikoaiko Oct 2012 #147

The phrase "too cute by half" comes to mind N/T clffrdjk Oct 2012 #143

Mandatory background checks Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #9

Enforcement safeinOhio Oct 2012 #10

Making Criminals out of Reasonable Responsible Adults Mercracer Oct 2012 #12

Enforcement... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #13

I'm quite sure... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #16

I was wondering that myself glacierbay Oct 2012 #19

So your for creating a whole new class of criminals glacierbay Oct 2012 #18

You sound a bit hysterical in that response. mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #128

Just like 50 years of enforcing drug laws? Is that your model? nt hack89 Oct 2012 #24

Bad comparison. mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #129

You are trying to eradicated illegal gun use, correct? hack89 Oct 2012 #134

Doing an excellent job of proving concepts of being liberal... Clames Oct 2012 #28

Hmmm. Sounds like God's own pot bust! Can' wait. Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #35

Do you seriously think millions of Americans are going to let you MicaelS Oct 2012 #38

That's kinda my point how do you enforce it? Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #94

Get over yourself. discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #14

Every baseball bat ever used in an assault started out as a legal bat somewhere. Remmah2 Oct 2012 #15

Surely there's a way... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #25

"Bad" Callisto32 Oct 2012 #20

Everything he puts forward here glacierbay Oct 2012 #22

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #30

Criminals won't need guns if their victims can't fight back. nt rrneck Oct 2012 #31

In other words, punish the law-abiding. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #37

It's not a punishment to require that gun owners be responsible. nt mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #130

Registering firearms and/or owners is punishment. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #135

How is it a better argument than sarisataka Oct 2012 #44

Exactly right. DanTex Oct 2012 #53

have any evidence if this? gejohnston Oct 2012 #54

Yes, there is tons of evidence. DanTex Oct 2012 #56

actually I do gejohnston Oct 2012 #60

Well, a lot of what you have posted here in the past has been outright false. DanTex Oct 2012 #68

prove anything I said was false, since you are making the claim gejohnston Oct 2012 #72

Really? Just one thing? DanTex Oct 2012 #75

she did make the claim on her show gejohnston Oct 2012 #82

Umm, but the claim was not "demonstrably false". DanTex Oct 2012 #85

are the kind of person who always falsely accuses other people gejohnston Oct 2012 #88

Well, do you still stand by your false claims or not? Answer, please! DanTex Oct 2012 #89

She did make that claim, and it *is* demonstrably false. See and hear it for yourself: friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #102

LOL. Your "demonstration" that she lied is a youtube video from some right-wing idiot. DanTex Oct 2012 #104

So is the clip faked? If yes, my bad & I'll delete the link. If not, care to discuss what she said? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #106

Here it is direct from MSNBC. Got any more cavils? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #107

LOL. I know what she said. Problem is, it's not "demonstrably false". DanTex Oct 2012 #108

Perhaps- but it's also not demonstrably *true* either. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #109

Look, gej claimed she said something "demonstrably false". DanTex Oct 2012 #110

Glock never made the statement gejohnston Oct 2012 #112

Can you "demonstrate" that? DanTex Oct 2012 #114

you are the last person who has any business giving vocabuary lessons gejohnston Oct 2012 #115

Why? What's wrong with my vocabulary? So have you given up on trying to defend your lies? DanTex Oct 2012 #116

you don't know what the word lie means gejohnston Oct 2012 #118

That's so simple and obvious. They know it too. nt mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #131

Ha-ha! Straw Man Oct 2012 #55

Now that is the intellect I've come to expect from gungeon dwellers! DanTex Oct 2012 #57

Love you too. At least I didn't say "LOL." Straw Man Oct 2012 #63

Japan is not really a great example to bring up for your side of the argument. DanTex Oct 2012 #66

nor is it yours gejohnston Oct 2012 #71

Japan has a far higher homicide rate than the US-suicide *is* homicide. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #103

You should be just a little more condescending.... Dr_Scholl Oct 2012 #111

that and personal attacks is best he can do gejohnston Oct 2012 #113

Japan Straw Man Oct 2012 #117

At least it has more content than your exiled friend ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #65

who is exiled? graham4anything Oct 2012 #73

Check the group info to see who has been banned ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #91

live or learn. I did not know the "GROUP" can ban anyone anti-gun they want. graham4anything Oct 2012 #93

Those individuals were not blocked for being anti gun but for bad behaviors ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #99

this group is unique gejohnston Oct 2012 #100

"Even Second Amendment adherents, who I think are completely wrong " rl6214 Oct 2012 #121

Who decided that, you? nt mikeb302000 Oct 2012 #132

Do you have a congressman you can call to make what you want done happen? rl6214 Oct 2012 #142

If everyone were equally disarmed, hypothetically 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #144