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In reply to the discussion: Pistol grips on long guns, and rifle crime in general. [View all]Glassunion
(10,201 posts)108. Death Spewing hip fire...
There are a lot of factors to take in when determining where a shot will land. Those factors would be compounded if one is firing from the hip.
1. When fired from the hip a rifle is at one's side off center from the body, by about 8 inches.
2. The individual is not aiming, but guessing where the shot will land.
3. The body is not behind the rifle to take up recoil so the firearm will sway and bounce quite a bit.
4. Also, since the rifle is off center it causes the body to twist away from the rifle.
In the video above you can see that the muzzle of the rifle moves up and down about 3 to 4 inches and you can also see his body rotating away 3 to 4 inches from every shot. Just these factors will add up to missed shots even at very close range.
Here are some simple math factors that can determine where a shot will land.
1. Distance the muzzle to the target
2. Left/Right movement of the muzzle by the shooter
3. Up/Down movement of the muzzle by the shooter
Since we are not talking longer shots I will not need to show the effects of gravity, wind, elevation, muzzle velocity, bullet weight, ballistic coefficient, temperature, altitude, air pressure, etc... as they will have almost zero effect on where a shot would land within 3 meters.
Just judging from the video this shooter is not aiming level, but the muzzle is pointed about 2 inches higher than level. Also, since he is at the hip and to the side he has to compensate(aim across his body to the left) for where he thinks that the shot will go. So if he is simply off by that 2 inches up and 4 inches left at the tip of the muzzle he will miss his theoretical aim point. He will be about 6 inches left and 5 inches high off his target if his target is only a meter away and 18~19 inches high and 13~14 inches to the left of his target at 3 meters. And that is just his first shot. His other shots would be off even farther. This does not even take into account his ability to guess as to the actual aim point.
There was an episode of Top Shot where the contestants had to hip fire. These were highly trained military professionals and competitors. They did not do very well at all.
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Pistol grips on any long gun are much more comfortable, especially for women.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jan 2012
#4
That's what I say when I'm too ashamed to say "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts"
Wistful Vista
Jan 2012
#135
Intentionally or unintentionally not showing the side with the stock folded against it?
rl6214
Jan 2012
#10
Yes. Underfolders are slow to deploy and a bit of a pain for that reason, though.
benEzra
Jan 2012
#23
It's understandable that one might get that impression from the "fear sells" media...
benEzra
Jan 2012
#22
'ze Germans' would be carrying automatics in this case. His guns are no match.
The Doctor.
Jan 2012
#89
Let me remind you what the gun control lobby *used* to say about Title 1 rifles like mine.
benEzra
Jan 2012
#136
death spewer toter -- I may have to make that my new sigline -- wonder how well that would go over
Tuesday Afternoon
Jan 2012
#152
"It can certainly be characterized as 'hysterical', though I'll leave out the gender aspect of it."
ellisonz
Jan 2012
#90
"It can certainly be characterized as 'hysterical', though I'll leave out the gender aspect of it."
ellisonz
Jan 2012
#109
Like I said, you were fishing for excuses to avoid a substantive challenge.
The Doctor.
Jan 2012
#110
When you call people and/or their tools "death-spewers", you are accusing them of homocidal intent
PavePusher
Jan 2012
#189
Debating you is like debating a dining room table, I have no further interest in doing it. n/t
ellisonz
Jan 2012
#215
Didn't I see something like that in a post that he was going to post it as his sig line
rl6214
Jan 2012
#185
Doncha know those against pistol grips don't care how uncomfortable it is to shoot without one
rl6214
Jan 2012
#8
I have no real problem with most people having a gun at home. But, not so much, in public.
Hoyt
Jan 2012
#161
If you can't define a problem then it indicates you don't understand the problem.
Atypical Liberal
Jan 2012
#62
I don't get it...why are you so opposed to people defending themselves against thugs?
Wistful Vista
Jan 2012
#140
I carried a shotgun around with a sawed off stock when someone was stalking and tried
Lint Head
Jan 2012
#11
I hear you on stalker. On pistol grip, it's kind of like some folks recommend maturbation
Hoyt
Jan 2012
#38
They're virtually the same in those circumstances, pistol grip or straight stock.
X_Digger
Jan 2012
#27
Well, I just took you at your word, it's my usual MO. I'm new here but not to the world.
Wistful Vista
Jan 2012
#145
"You also frequently seem to completely misunderstand what should have been crystal clear."
ellisonz
Jan 2012
#214
"Please tell me why someone should be allowed to own half-a-dozen handguns with little oversight."
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#239
Well I hope that one day soon these military grade weapons will be severely restricted...
ellisonz
Jan 2012
#85
All guns or their antecedents, save for a few target guns / bench competition guns..
X_Digger
Jan 2012
#99
Have you considered that there are other standards of lethality than ballistics? n/t
ellisonz
Jan 2012
#103
Which of course explains why they are used in less than 3% of all homicides committed with firearms.
AtheistCrusader
Jan 2012
#237
Except you are very insistently confusing NON-military-grade weapons with actual
benEzra
Jan 2012
#139
It appears that some people think abysmal ignorance of a subject is somehow a progressive value?
DonP
Jan 2012
#101
Well, if an armed citizen can't figure out and shoot the right person in a milling panicked, crowd..
krispos42
Jan 2012
#82
That is and he is. The Browning BAR was designed as a "keep their heads down"
oneshooter
Jan 2012
#120
If you really think you need a bayonet, you should talk to a medical professional IMlayO.
Hoyt
Jan 2012
#39
Why should he need a medical professional when you're right here on the scene?
Wistful Vista
Jan 2012
#142
I shot a muzzle loader for the first time last weeked (obviously, no pistol grip)...
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jan 2012
#113
Isn't it great seeing fun guns being accepted by common shooters across America.
ileus
Jan 2012
#244