Gun Control & RKBA

fightthegoodfightnow

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50. Like so much of what you say

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 03:04 PM

Oct 2012

...neither claim is true. I WISH gun control was an issue in this campaign, but as you have pointed out, it is not. You can't have it both ways.

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Justice Stevens: Second Amendment is ‘no obstacle’ to banning automatic weapons [View all] SecularMotion Oct 2012 OP

Which automatic weapons were those? Oneka Oct 2012 #1

you know... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #3

Stevens is 92 and undoubtedly confused about a few things. He even saw Babe Ruth hit his 1932 AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #219

the second amendment veganlush Oct 2012 #2

All the amendments are irrelevant... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #5

Cite to authority? n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #9

Might be true if.. pipoman Oct 2012 #20

since the part about veganlush Oct 2012 #21

where does it say that? gejohnston Oct 2012 #22

what was the purpose veganlush Oct 2012 #27

The "militia clause" was put into the Second because the Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #41

Define 'well regulated' please. Francis Marion Oct 2012 #46

You should think about it. Clames Oct 2012 #56

Regulated = equipped. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #215

The whole militia phrase has been pipoman Oct 2012 #23

so they said veganlush Oct 2012 #29

"Well regulated" pipoman Oct 2012 #36

Regulated = equipped. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #216

Why not just leave out the reference to the militia? merrily Oct 2012 #100

I believe pipoman Oct 2012 #106

Because we arent supposed to have a standing army. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #217

Dangerous? Chuckyoufarly Oct 2012 #4

Actually, rifles of ALL types account for -3% of homicides; shotguns Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #42

actually he is wrong gejohnston Oct 2012 #6

One of the big problems with Miller regarding SBS ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #17

Obvious problems, here... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #7

when I first read Miller, gejohnston Oct 2012 #8

I as well. Which is why the gun-controllers best leave sleeping dogs lie. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #11

Stevens is either a fucking moron, or no longer mentally competent for his job. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #10

Naww, he just wanted to collect his speaking fee and gejohnston Oct 2012 #12

What is his job now? merrily Oct 2012 #95

Automatic weapons used in the tragic multiple killings glacierbay Oct 2012 #13

It's a wonder how someone so ignorant about existing laws... Clames Oct 2012 #14

Such is the ENTIRE Argument for Your Position fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #33

Well, at least you seem to have come to terms with your problems. Clames Oct 2012 #58

Read Again! fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #62

You ever consider why the anti-gunners keep losing... Clames Oct 2012 #70

LOSING? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #73

Yes, losing. Clames Oct 2012 #89

My Side? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #93

Does he serve on the SCOTUS? merrily Oct 2012 #96

Past tense...you missed it. Clames Oct 2012 #125

Tee Hee Hee.....someone thinks automatic weapons were used in VA,Co, and Az. ileus Oct 2012 #15

That's the main issue about VA, CO and AZ, which type weapon was used? merrily Oct 2012 #98

Didn't Heller cite the M-16 as being particularly suited to militia service/duty? jbgood1977 Oct 2012 #16

A chicken in every pot and an M4 in every garage derby378 Oct 2012 #69

I really did LOL at that. But, in all seriousness jbgood1977 Oct 2012 #129

Careful now.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #131

I'd like to see how that shakes out myself derby378 Oct 2012 #132

Did it? Why not give us the direct quote from the Heller opinion? merrily Oct 2012 #99

LOL!! jbgood1977 Oct 2012 #127

The same POS that decided your property rights are meangingless... -..__... Oct 2012 #18

As you know, mostly Republican appointees decided the Kelo case. merrily Oct 2012 #97

If he said that, he is ignorant pipoman Oct 2012 #19

Wouldn't any weapon be legal under the 2nd, along safeinOhio Oct 2012 #24

I agree ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #25

I'm Sure THAT'S what you think he had in mind! fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #32

It did work actually ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #35

Historical Revisionism fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #37

That platform ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #39

I don't think it will cost us the Presidency glacierbay Oct 2012 #40

Like so much of what you say fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #50

They had a lot tougher gun laws JonLP24 Oct 2012 #105

Not sure if "legal" is the correct term here. SecularMotion Oct 2012 #26

Where in the Constitution is the government given Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #43

"...to insure public safety"... Jenoch Oct 2012 #75

Does Stevens mean "auto-loading" weapons? krispos42 Oct 2012 #28

He Means Exactly What He Said fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #30

Automatic weapons were not used in those shootings glacierbay Oct 2012 #34

What about fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #48

Hell glacierbay Oct 2012 #49

Well in those two cases ... fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #51

It probably did save some lives glacierbay Oct 2012 #52

You forgot the non-extended mags that were used in Virginia, and which helped... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #54

Really? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #66

Better that than relying upon forcing spree killers to practice reloading. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #85

Right fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #86

if you are the one with the rifle and people are shooting at you, yeah gejohnston Oct 2012 #88

Then he means nothing krispos42 Oct 2012 #45

Right fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #47

A ban of a ban? Clames Oct 2012 #59

Huh? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #63

You are the person Jenoch Oct 2012 #79

Ban of a Ban? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #83

These are your words: Jenoch Oct 2012 #87

NO fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #94

I'll use plain words (yours) and make this simple for you. Clames Oct 2012 #91

What A Joke fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #92

Wow, you deny that you said what you said... Clames Oct 2012 #109

Are You Just...... fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #110

No you didn't. Clames Oct 2012 #113

It's pointless fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #115

What a riot... Clames Oct 2012 #117

What a riot... fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #119

Here's what you said and where you said it. Straw Man Nov 2012 #143

Are we back to this? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #144

Yes, we are. Straw Man Nov 2012 #145

Already done fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #146

No, not done. Straw Man Nov 2012 #147

YAWN fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #148

Yes, you can go back to sleep now. Straw Man Nov 2012 #149

BRAVO fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author jbgood1977 Nov 2012 #155

Gun control is founded on ignorance and fear. Justice Stevens is case in point. aikoaiko Oct 2012 #38

Actually, it is founded on multiple electronically created clapping hands. Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #44

Fear? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #53

You are free to fear anything (or nothing) at all. You *are* not free to make your fears... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #55

NOT MY FEAR fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #65

Yes, fear. aikoaiko Oct 2012 #57

LET ME PUT IN BOLD fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #64

I am talking about more than you and your post. aikoaiko Oct 2012 #71

THEN SPEAK FOR YOURSELF fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #72

Let's see we have insults, swearing, difficulty with simple English,... Clames Oct 2012 #111

Try Taking a Position on fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #112

I have taken a position. Clames Oct 2012 #114

Personal Problem? fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #116

That word applies to most anti-gunner positions. Clames Oct 2012 #118

Yawn fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #120

Yawn Clames Oct 2012 #121

Actually, Jenoch Oct 2012 #77

Your Experience fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #78

So you really think Jenoch Oct 2012 #80

Didn't Say That fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #81

This is your initial response> Jenoch Oct 2012 #84

Here You Go fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #90

Naw. I see more fear Jenoch Oct 2012 #123

Hardly fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #124

I thought we were discussing fear. Jenoch Oct 2012 #126

Fear is a healthy emotion. Helps us survive. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #60

Yes, I agree that fear can help us survive. aikoaiko Oct 2012 #61

BRAVO fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #67

there is a story about Thomas Dodd gejohnston Oct 2012 #68

What is posting a rumor supposed to accomplish? merrily Oct 2012 #101

the point was fear, and maybe hypocrisy. gejohnston Oct 2012 #103

"statistically safer", like every other western democracy? Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #133

US problem is concentrated in a few cities gejohnston Oct 2012 #136

Very true, but I'd rather be in Toronto, regardless. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #137

they don't have the inequality of wealth either gejohnston Oct 2012 #138

Have you lived in the Jenoch Oct 2012 #139

Since Carter was in the White House Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #140

You chose to answer that question. Clames Oct 2012 #141

Being aware and prepared also help. ileus Oct 2012 #74

They carry because they care about themselves, not society. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #134

Waaaah... Clames Oct 2012 #142

You're a veritable local hero and so modest. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #150

Has everything to do with how you know fuck all about gun owners... Clames Nov 2012 #154

So we have to conform to the values of the majority? hack89 Nov 2012 #151

I don't know how you arrive at that conclusion. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #152

So how does me carrying guns endanger society? hack89 Nov 2012 #153

That's a question only you can answer? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #156

I agree with you that open carry is a more honest policy but it is not a choice right now. nt hack89 Nov 2012 #157

That's good. We agree on something. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #160

But CCW is not inherently dishonest hack89 Nov 2012 #161

It is legal, but whether it is inherently dishonest is debatable. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #162

cheating on the wife and carry concealed is a false equivalence gejohnston Nov 2012 #163

You make a valid point Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #165

mostly because gejohnston Nov 2012 #166

I don't see concealed carry as a hobby/sport. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #171

I'm saying they are sport shooters since childhood who decided to carry gejohnston Nov 2012 #172

It wasn't sexist. I said "in general" and the exception often proves the rule. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #173

conflict resolution is different than gejohnston Nov 2012 #175

I fail to see any harm. hack89 Nov 2012 #164

Again, I have nothing against gun owners. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #169

When that mistrust is based on emotions and ignorance hack89 Nov 2012 #174

Who's asking you to give up a civil liberty? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #176

the laws banning concealed carry before they were changed gejohnston Nov 2012 #178

Wanna be specific? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #180

Bearing arms is a civil.liberty hack89 Nov 2012 #183

And where am I asking you to give that up? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #186

CCW does not represent a threat to public safety hack89 Nov 2012 #188

There you go again, just when you seemed to thinking freely Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #191

The only thing that matters is people shot, hurt or killed. hack89 Nov 2012 #192

Can you show that CCW has resulted in more shootings and deaths? Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #193

So you can't show an increase in deaths due to CCW? hack89 Nov 2012 #194

OK, let me get this straight Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #197

Our society is steadily getting less violent and more safe hack89 Nov 2012 #199

"Moral panic such as yours is not grounds to restrict civil liberties." Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #200

You refuse to present any facts or evidence hack89 Nov 2012 #201

Concealed carry is not a civil liberty. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #202

And yet here we are with historically low levels of gun violence hack89 Nov 2012 #203

I couldn't imagine being more relaxed. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #204

Please don't change the subject. hack89 Nov 2012 #205

There is no point. It neither increases nor decreases the numbers. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #206

So it is bad just because it is bad? hack89 Nov 2012 #207

Doesn't offend my sensibilities, nor do I suggest banning it. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #208

OK nt hack89 Nov 2012 #209

who was it that said something about grainy youtube videos gejohnston Nov 2012 #195

I didn't watch any of them Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #198

In further response. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #196

Of course it is dishonest. You said yourself OC is more honest. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #167

Stop twisting my words. hack89 Nov 2012 #177

It means less honest, as you said. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #179

So is your position that open carry should be the law of land? hack89 Nov 2012 #181

This is my position Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #182

As a progressive I reject the notion hack89 Nov 2012 #184

Firstly, it is not a civil right to carry a concealed weapon. Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #187

I wonder why people like you feel compelled hack89 Nov 2012 #189

I would call it a civil liberty gejohnston Nov 2012 #190

the problem with "demonstrable need" gejohnston Nov 2012 #185

There is no deception involved. hack89 Nov 2012 #158

Did you encounter Jenoch Oct 2012 #76

United States Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #135

I think you have it all wrong. Jenoch Oct 2012 #82

Never have? pipoman Oct 2012 #107

Next time I make the mistake of following a link to the "gungeon," merrily Oct 2012 #102

well, stick around long enough to read answers gejohnston Oct 2012 #104

Afraid of getting logical answers pipoman Oct 2012 #108

All you've done so far is claim that Stevens is smarter than everyone else.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #122

It's LOOPY LOOP LAND fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #128

what sound bites? gejohnston Oct 2012 #130

At the very least jbgood1977 Nov 2012 #159

Let her go. This place is toxic. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #210

Yeah, I see what's taken place. jbgood1977 Nov 2012 #211

You know, I was really hoping to have a bit of a discussion jbgood1977 Nov 2012 #213

start a thread and see what happens -- Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #218

trash the group. problem solved. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #168

Congress? State not federal. am I misunderstanding something or did he misspeak? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #170

"Militia" freedomboogie Nov 2012 #212

Nice to see that your average counterstrike playing 10 year old knows more about firearms AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #214