Gun Control & RKBA

hack89

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51. Of course it is a constitutional issue

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 09:44 PM

Oct 2012

where does the Federal government get the power to regulate intrastate commerce?

I have no problem with background checks for private sales - my state is one of five that does exactly that. But it is a state issue that requires each state to pass legislation.

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Wisconsin Mass Shooter Exploited Background Check Loophole That NRA Says Isn't A Problem [View all] SecularMotion Oct 2012 OP

I guess Wisconsin could set up their own background check system hack89 Oct 2012 #1

Who is obfuscating? sarisataka Oct 2012 #2

I'm sure I'd be vilified by hardliners, but I think I've got a reasonable solution. Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #5

I'm not opposed to it but gejohnston Oct 2012 #6

If I am reading your question correctly, ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #25

as far as I know gejohnston Oct 2012 #26

When a FFL here in FL... 57_TomCat Oct 2012 #61

I could agree with this.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #17

You pay for driver's licenses, passports, incorporation, occupational licenses, etc. Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #21

It's just another form of poll tax. PavePusher Oct 2012 #22

Your solution... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #23

No, it isn't the only solution possible. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #27

I could certainly dig most of that, Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #29

Yup, all true. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #31

Answers discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #30

Answers to answers. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #32

More answers discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #49

Me too. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #54

It's not a loophole gejohnston Oct 2012 #3

Sure, ruin a good rant with the facts... ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #4

How is it not a loophole when it is a loophole? jenw2 Oct 2012 #7

The background check is for Federal Firearms Licensees to use and no other person... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #8

because I believe in dictionary definitions gejohnston Oct 2012 #11

Sexist, much? n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #18

Why are you calling out men? AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #44

Most of us completely support the "commerce clause" pipoman Oct 2012 #60

The head of mediamatters has employed an armed bodyguard. Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #9

I hope the bodyguard has better skill with his pistol than gejohnston Oct 2012 #12

Boy, the switch from print to Innertube media has left decent editing in the dust.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #20

To SecularMotion.... Db Owen97 Oct 2012 #10

Don't expect much of a reply... Clames Oct 2012 #13

Unfortunately, there is a coven of folks who seem to have a peculiar fascination for thugs.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #19

What loophole? ileus Oct 2012 #14

How does this map define "private transfer?" Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #15

Private Sales Not Yet Determined LOL ileus Oct 2012 #16

The real problem here is that unlicensed sellers of personal used firearms HAVE NO WAY to check... slackmaster Oct 2012 #24

This is why I support universal, anonymous licensing. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #28

Wait, the gun nuts all said there was no loophole! DanTex Oct 2012 #33

the dictionary says it isn't gejohnston Oct 2012 #35

No it doesn't. You say it isn't. The dictionary agrees with me. DanTex Oct 2012 #40

either you don't understand what you read gejohnston Oct 2012 #41

The law allows people to avoid a background check by purchasing from a private seller. DanTex Oct 2012 #42

ambiguity is the key word gejohnston Oct 2012 #43

LOL. It says "ambiguity or omission". DanTex Oct 2012 #45

yes we do, gejohnston Oct 2012 #46

Let me provide an analogy for you. Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #36

slight correction gejohnston Oct 2012 #37

FFLs can sell long guns to out-of-staters, but yeah Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #38

Yes I've heard the NRA talking points. DanTex Oct 2012 #39

Well said fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #47

using tax law gejohnston Oct 2012 #48

4/10. You got seven buzzwords into that, but you left out "reasonable" and "children/youth(s)". friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #50

Of course it is a constitutional issue hack89 Oct 2012 #51

It's Established Constitutional Law fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #55

I believe Obama used the same phrase gejohnston Oct 2012 #56

US vs Lopez says otherwise hack89 Oct 2012 #57

Limits But UPHOLDS Congresses Use of the Commerce Clause fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #58

Which means Congress could regulate gun shows hack89 Oct 2012 #59

LOOP HOLE!!!!!!! fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #34

Another post by you that does not mention guns. I still prefer a .45. oneshooter Oct 2012 #52

Poor thing fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #53