Gun Control & RKBA

GreenStormCloud

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43. The article has these lies:

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 07:33 PM

Oct 2012

Statistics say you are as likely to shoot me as the bad guy. Not so. There have been several mass shootings in which a person with a CCW stopped the killing. In none of those situations did the CCWer shoot the wrong person. In other defensive situations it is extremely rare for the CCWer to shoot the wrong person.

"...highly trained officers..." Common anti-gun fallacy. Most cops are not highly trained marksman. Since most cops will never fire their weapon except on the range one or twice a year, their training is in police procedures. Lasers for pistols are fairly cheap nowdays, and are a great aid in accuracy. Squeeze the handle, put red dot on bad guy, pull trigger without jerking gun. I guess he has never heard of them.

"I don’t know why guys in particular buy a gun and automatically think they are marksmen." Many of us with CCWs don't think that. We practice.

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Your gun doesn’t make me safer [View all] SecularMotion Oct 2012 OP

Your public policy doesn't make md safer. nt rrneck Oct 2012 #1

I'm not keen to make YOU safer ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #2

Appreciate your honesty. - "I'm only interested in the safety of me and mine." Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #42

I have a social conscience ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #44

Really? How does your statement reflect that you have a social conscience. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #49

Apparently ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #50

Funny, if in extremis we are to have social consciousness... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #79

He is honest glacierbay Oct 2012 #51

I agree 100% Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #59

Finally, we agree! DWC Oct 2012 #60

A law enforcement officer is there to protect everyone, including himself Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #63

A law enforcement officer is not required to "protect" you or anybody else oneshooter Oct 2012 #66

Absolutely correct glacierbay Oct 2012 #68

I expect a CHL holder to be purely selfish Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #69

"I expect a CHL holder to be purely selfish" And why is that? n/t oneshooter Oct 2012 #70

I think, and I could be wrong, glacierbay Oct 2012 #71

Because that's what they are telling me, including you. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #72

Please tell us what a CHL holder should do so that you will not consider them to be "purely selfish" oneshooter Oct 2012 #75

Get over his irrational fear and leave his gun at home. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #86

What"irrational fear" are you talking about? oneshooter Oct 2012 #93

This is a case where the word 'selfish' Jenoch Oct 2012 #85

You might call it honorable Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #87

If the tool does not have the potential to harm innocents (and others) ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #89

And when you unholster it all the rules change. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #90

The dangerousness of the gun is what makes it useful as a tool. ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #91

"Firing a gun is extremely dangerous, EVEN when fired in the air." holdencaufield Oct 2012 #92

A seatbelt is designed DWC Oct 2012 #73

Again, you are correct about the first two. That is their specific design. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #74

For that same sake, you can start anytime you want when you start understanding that firearms... Clames Oct 2012 #76

You are absolutely correct DWC Oct 2012 #77

Each item you listed is appropriate to the threat, esp. the gun.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #78

What kind of environment are you referring to? glacierbay Oct 2012 #61

Each to his own. Stay safe. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #64

Thank you glacierbay Oct 2012 #65

"Benefit of society" is often termed "macho" in these threads, no? nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #80

Sorry, but I have no idea what you mean. nt Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #83

In many discussions about the advisability of carrying firearms, gun-controllers... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #84

You are Protecting Neither fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #95

You of course have no basis for your beliefs.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #99

Gosh...OK fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #100

To be more precise: Loudly Oct 2012 #3

Who is "your"? Remmah2 Oct 2012 #4

"Your" as in mine and everyone's. Generalized access to convenient lethality. Loudly Oct 2012 #5

A civil right is not a "pandering political indulgence " either. Remmah2 Oct 2012 #7

You're attributing something to the BOR which is not there. Loudly Oct 2012 #13

Just because you use pretty words trying to make your point glacierbay Oct 2012 #14

Hey SharesUnited glacierbay Oct 2012 #9

The 2nd gives us access to Missycim Oct 2012 #6

Correction: Loudly Oct 2012 #8

People have had "access" to firearms and ammunition since long before the country was founded slackmaster Oct 2012 #10

Saying that as often as you do Shares glacierbay Oct 2012 #11

It depends on the cases which present themselves. Loudly Oct 2012 #15

Roe V Wade ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #16

You don't mean repealed, do you? You mean reversed. Loudly Oct 2012 #18

"Hopefully the number of people being shot and killed and crippled..." holdencaufield Oct 2012 #20

That's very unfair. Loudly Oct 2012 #24

Not unfair at all. holdencaufield Oct 2012 #25

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #34

For some, the ends justify *any* means- and sharesunited/Loudly has made it explicit. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #48

You do realize there are fewer people being killed and crippled 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #31

No, I didn't. Source please. Loudly Oct 2012 #35

Ok: 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #36

Can you provide a source that our loosening gun control laws 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #37

Well played,4th l.o.r. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #47

This information has been given to you many times, Shares. n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #41

You mean like Auschwitz & Birkenau DWC Oct 2012 #40

To late, unless you believe its alright to override Missycim Oct 2012 #33

Do you activly support the Brady Campaign or the VPC? oneshooter Oct 2012 #53

Awesome Reasonable_Argument Oct 2012 #29

Be careful with that drinking game. 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #32

Do you activly support the Brady Campaign or the VPC? oneshooter Oct 2012 #67

Uh, yeah, that's right. Get your own... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #12

My gun makes ME safer, and my family, as well. Common Sense Party Oct 2012 #17

That's right, mate, montanto Oct 2012 #19

That's why it's up to you to get your CHP or Open Carry. ileus Oct 2012 #21

No and it's not intended to rl6214 Oct 2012 #22

That's correct Mr. Madden. I am not responsible for your safety, nor are you for mine. slackmaster Oct 2012 #23

Anyone seenand analyzed the "statistics"? Hangingon Oct 2012 #26

When violent crime is stopped, it is almost always stopped by the use or threat of force. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #27

Oh look, a giant pack of stupidity and mendacity. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #28

You not having a gun doesn't make me any safer 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #30

My gun isn't SUPPOSED to make YOU safer. It's supposed to make ME safer. NT Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #38

I am a private citizen DWC Oct 2012 #39

The article has these lies: GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #43

The Use of My Gun is Intended to make Me Safer. What you do with or without your gun Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #45

My gun doesn't make you anything at all. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2012 #46

Do you activly support the Brady Campaign or the VPC? oneshooter Oct 2012 #52

The first paragraph Berserker Oct 2012 #54

Maybe mass murders get more style points than falling crime rates? Nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #81

If it bleeds, it leads. 'nuff said. discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #82

Aurora was a special case because of the body armor and the overall high level of premeditation. trouble.smith Oct 2012 #55

He didn't have body armor on. Just a tac vest. n/t Ashgrey77 Oct 2012 #57

is that the official police report? trouble.smith Oct 2012 #58

What are the stats for private citizens jbgood1977 Oct 2012 #56

especially when Francis Marion Oct 2012 #62

Your gun laws don't make me safer either. Remmah2 Oct 2012 #88

BRAVO fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #94

Not unless you're giving me a paycheck, it sure isn't.... n/t PavePusher Oct 2012 #96

If you create a post it would make sense that you should participate in the discussion. ... spin Oct 2012 #97

Another day 10/9/12 my personal safety device didn't keep you safe. ileus Oct 2012 #98