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Starboard Tack

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53. Of course they can. It's about balance.
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 06:42 PM
Oct 2012

An individual has rights until the exercise of those rights is detrimental to society as a whole. That's what happened when we climbed down from the trees and gathered together. The group's rights must trump any individual rights, or the group ceases to exist.

"the conspicuous lack of new gun crimes..." villager Oct 2012 #1
Not humor- fact. Violent crime and murder rates are down, per the FBI. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #2
You are aware that gun violence is at historic lows and steadily falling? nt hack89 Oct 2012 #3
Doesn't matter DonP Oct 2012 #7
*crime rates* are falling, generally, which is of course, good. But the episodes of gun violence villager Oct 2012 #15
No - there are fewer shootings, injuries and deaths. hack89 Oct 2012 #16
"Empathy" You have to be fucking kidding me! DonP Oct 2012 #18
What do you mean by "become more horrific"? PavePusher Oct 2012 #19
Maybe he thinks they are more deaderer.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #85
Substitute a quantitative argument, which you will lose, for a qualitative argument 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #23
When "empathy" is strictly measured by degrees of capitulation... beevul Oct 2012 #65
The Delicate Flowers bongbong Oct 2012 #5
Hmmm? Unsupported hot air versus the FBI UCR, tough call. DonP Oct 2012 #8
Too bad bongbong Oct 2012 #12
Feel free to cite numbers and explain how less is more. PavePusher Oct 2012 #27
he can't do it. he's too busy hitting the bong Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #31
Boy, in my circle, if you bogart you are out. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #33
pretty much my point -- Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #34
Still don't qualify for Medicaire? Then try Green Cross/Green Shield! nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #40
LOL bongbong Oct 2012 #56
LOL bongbong Oct 2012 #36
The measure of guns making crime worse is more shootings, injuries and deaths. hack89 Oct 2012 #43
LOL bongbong Oct 2012 #46
So armed robberies are up? Oh wait... maybe not. hack89 Oct 2012 #49
Just more for you to prove bongbong Oct 2012 #55
You are one implying something hack89 Oct 2012 #57
Nice strawman. ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #69
Blossom? Like the kind Karl Rove referenced? nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #86
Regardless of the cause, you do agree that there are fewer shootings, injuries and deaths, right? hack89 Oct 2012 #10
No thanks to guns bongbong Oct 2012 #11
But more guns have not made things worse - my only point. nt hack89 Oct 2012 #14
Nope, can't say that bongbong Oct 2012 #26
All I can prove is that there were less shootings, injuries and deaths. hack89 Oct 2012 #41
fine. don't like 'em. don't buy 'em. problem solved. Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #32
LOL bongbong Oct 2012 #39
not by you. you would be innocent, big daddy. Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #58
And bongbong Oct 2012 #60
you are a total innocent. period. end of story. Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #62
This guy sounds like a tape loop of a former poster.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #87
boingboing Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #88
Wharfgarble from you? What a surprise. PavePusher Oct 2012 #21
Wharfgarble bongbong Oct 2012 #28
You haven't "pointed out" anything. PavePusher Oct 2012 #29
LOL bongbong Oct 2012 #37
LOL, more Wharfgarble. PavePusher Oct 2012 #45
LOL bongbong Oct 2012 #47
Let's imagine that gun ownership stayed the same, Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #50
LOL bongbong Oct 2012 #54
But you can't, or won't, demonstrate such a phenomenom. PavePusher Oct 2012 #64
Strawman alert! bongbong Oct 2012 #73
Cites, please... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #80
some citizens are more equal than others. tell that to Tom Tomorrow and while you are it Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #30
Tell him yourself bongbong Oct 2012 #38
I am laying odds on you. any takers? Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #59
LOL bongbong Oct 2012 #61
why do you care what delicate flowers do? trust me - we are just blowing in the wind. Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #63
Congratulations, BongBong, you're down to 18 hidden posts in the last 90 dats. aikoaiko Oct 2012 #77
LOL bongbong Oct 2012 #78
I thought that was pretty funny too. Priceless! Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #42
Now we just need to "roll back" 99 more gun control laws. -..__... Oct 2012 #4
So far this year over 30 NRA backed bills have become law. N/T GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #6
That's a good thing former-republican Oct 2012 #17
Yes, it is. GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #20
This was during the midterms , too bad some Democrats can't get over this former-republican Oct 2012 #22
There is nothing liberal about gun-control... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #9
The link to MoJo absolutely freezes up on the first page of its article. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #13
" Liberalism is about expanding the rights of the people, not constricting them. " Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #44
hate to break it to you but, gejohnston Oct 2012 #48
So, because "people" does not mean individuals, Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #51
Of course they can. It's about balance. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #53
So, what restraints are actually placed on Congress? Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #66
If you study history, suffrage was considered detrimental at the time of the constitution. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #67
It's not a historical question -- Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #68
I'm not getting your reference to Catholic suffrage. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #75
It's not about minority or majority Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #79
Any right can be revoked, like the right to own slaves. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #81
The implicit right to own slaves Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #82
And 2A mentions no implicit right to carry concealed handguns. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #83
Nor does the Constitution mention voter registration Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #84
No, youre completely wrong there. beevul Oct 2012 #70
Liberalism is always on firm footing when it seeks to EXPAND the rights of the individual. Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #52
There is no right that can be exercised by a collective that cannot also be exercised by an individu Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #71
I'd take these articles more seriously if they weren't all predicated on: the NRA wants X, 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #24
Will someone PLEASE, in the name of all that is Holy, tell MJ to unfuck their site.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #25
HA! Maybe they got too much objection to the article and put out a World-wide Hoo-Doo!nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #35
Finally got mojo's link to work. Didn't realize they had... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #72
How did you get it to work? PavePusher Oct 2012 #74
Opened it on my Samsung D600 smartphone... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #76
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