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glacierbay

(2,477 posts)
60. Not true
Wed Sep 26, 2012, 09:21 AM
Sep 2012

you're against anyone having a gun to defend themselves. You've made that quite clear. You don't condemn the criminals, only the honest business owner who was attacked by these POS thugs.

I agree 100% what this man Missycim Sep 2012 #1
That is exactly what the Second Amendment is for slackmaster Sep 2012 #2
if it were me, I would move my business to a different location. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #3
Some people are just stubborn about not letting the barbarians push them out of their homes. PavePusher Sep 2012 #11
while I agree in theory (although this was a place of business) In my own Life Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #54
There have been similar stories over the years ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #4
I remember a LIFE magazine article that ran in the 1960s. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #6
Pretty resilient guy. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #5
Posts like this display your true colors........ Simo 1939_1940 Sep 2012 #14
You're joking, right? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #18
How can you have a civilized society gejohnston Sep 2012 #19
Giving in to sociopaths? I doubt anyone is suggesting that. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #20
Yes they can gejohnston Sep 2012 #22
No, I would never suggest giving in to sociopaths. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #25
While agree with that, gejohnston Sep 2012 #48
Ah, but the long term is made up of lots of little short terms. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #68
but the two are not mutually exclusive gejohnston Sep 2012 #70
If crime rates are tied to gun sales, why are sales up right now? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #72
not entirely gejohnston Sep 2012 #74
No, I'm not joking. Simo 1939_1940 Sep 2012 #23
I stand by those posts. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Simo 1939_1940 Sep 2012 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #27
On the "factual basis" of my supremely excellent sense of humor. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #31
Bullsh*t. Simo 1939_1940 Sep 2012 #38
WTF! Continuing slurs against Gary Kleck. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Simo 1939_1940 Sep 2012 #81
Looks like I misinterpreted your statement........ Simo 1939_1940 Sep 2012 #83
his data was only way off according to gejohnston Sep 2012 #84
No, it was off according to me. I'm not familiar with Hemenway. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #86
And "sorry" - your analysis of the survey was excruciatingly dishonest. Simo 1939_1940 Sep 2012 #89
Those who bought it were motivated to buy it. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #92
it works both ways gejohnston Sep 2012 #94
I don't know what Dan would be doing. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #109
does that make you anti science? gejohnston Sep 2012 #111
Of course not. I just don't like the science applied by Klek. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #120
and award winning gejohnston Sep 2012 #123
Me? What original hypothesis? DanTex Sep 2012 #113
I don't know about everyone gejohnston Sep 2012 #115
See, that's what I'm talking about. DanTex Sep 2012 #118
because your criticisms are void of substance gejohnston Sep 2012 #121
"Those who bought it were motivated to buy it." Simo 1939_1940 Sep 2012 #134
WTF are you talking about? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #136
how was it poorly acquired? gejohnston Sep 2012 #137
It's not that I don't like the conclusions. They are absurd. 2.5 million dgus/year. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #138
If I were to say that gejohnston Sep 2012 #140
Got me wrong again GE Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #147
This message was self-deleted by its author Simo 1939_1940 Oct 2012 #153
So you're going to continue to lie about what you said? Simo 1939_1940 Oct 2012 #151
Here's the methodology of the NSDS. Readers can decide for themselves whether Simo 1939_1940 Sep 2012 #91
I'd love to see one like that done on fishing. I'd give it the same credibility. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #93
In 1993 when Kleck's survey was done, cell phones were very rare. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #116
I didn't mention cellphones. I did mention landlines, which was my point. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #124
Hemenway's funding source gejohnston Sep 2012 #125
Funny thing is, I am pretty agnostic on the issue. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #129
have you noticed that gejohnston Sep 2012 #131
Sure. A highly reputable department. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #132
If he published in a gejohnston Sep 2012 #133
Not only that, but other criminologists have looked at the Kleck study, and found it to be junk. DanTex Sep 2012 #126
Thanks for the links. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #144
Not surprisingly, you are dead wrong yet again on the issue of anonymity. Simo 1939_1940 Sep 2012 #135
Are you for real? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #139
in which case, gejohnston Sep 2012 #141
No, you would have had what you got. A load of crap. A house of cards. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #145
sorry, I'll take the word of gejohnston Sep 2012 #146
"You cannot build a case without a credible foundation. Sorry." Simo 1939_1940 Oct 2012 #150
Again, you lie about the approach used by the interviewers, and ignore Simo 1939_1940 Oct 2012 #149
The fact *is*, Gary Kleck is a very nice guy. Here's a chance to hear him speak: Simo 1939_1940 Sep 2012 #85
Sounds like a nice guy. I never thought he was a NRA stooge. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #88
Of course it doesn't change your view. Simo 1939_1940 Sep 2012 #90
Well just for the record, it made me laugh. petronius Sep 2012 #39
Thank you sir. A man with some class and a sense of humor. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #43
Also, just for the record glacierbay Sep 2012 #49
Thanks, I'll do my best. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #62
Blasphemy! bongbong Sep 2012 #28
I am the king of blasphemy around here. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #32
This post is just full of win. n/t ellisonz Sep 2012 #33
Or maybe it is full of Hoplophobia. Just an observation, sweetie. rDigital Sep 2012 #46
Sweetie? ellisonz Sep 2012 #50
Sweetie. rDigital Sep 2012 #52
Go Cheney yourself. ellisonz Sep 2012 #55
Not sure what that means. Tell us how you really feel! nt rDigital Sep 2012 #75
I think that it means that he REALLY likes you. n/t oneshooter Sep 2012 #142
: ) nt rDigital Sep 2012 #143
that reminds me, I'm about to go to the dump: UNARMED!!!!!! Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #104
Good for him 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #7
It might not have been a "high crime area" when he set up.... PavePusher Sep 2012 #12
Do you propose bank tellers be armed? Shootouts at Wells Fargo? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #21
I used to work for Wells Fargo. I was armed. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #59
I used to bank at a Wells Fargo branch in Marina Del Rey about 20 years ago Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #61
It is cheaper and better to have the bullet-proof glass. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #64
Pretty much the same for me. Debit card and cash back for sundries. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #66
I can't even remember the last time I went into our bank glacierbay Sep 2012 #69
Funny story about my dad... AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #154
Wow. If this guy was a Fighter Pilot, they'd be calling him Ace. n/t cherokeeprogressive Sep 2012 #8
Sounds like he's ready to open his own tactical training school. ileus Sep 2012 #9
I guess I heard it right: 5 yrs for one of the thugs... Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #10
Drives home a **very** important lesson stressed by Massad. Simo 1939_1940 Sep 2012 #15
Wow. That guy's story is wild. Training is your friend. Gang members aren't. nt rDigital Sep 2012 #16
Smells like the gangs have that part of lala in political play... Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #17
Are you advocating that the LAPD kill gang members for the purpose of intimidation? n/t ellisonz Sep 2012 #35
Nope. nt Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #36
Would you care to elaborate... ellisonz Sep 2012 #37
I am not a cop, nor have I ever played one on TV, and I haven't stayed petronius Sep 2012 #41
What he probably meant glacierbay Sep 2012 #44
Cops could take advantage of revenge doers, even if they are hoplophobic. rDigital Sep 2012 #47
It really is a Charles Bronson world. trouble.smith Sep 2012 #24
5:0 plus a couple in jail? You can win by attrition. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #155
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #29
Wimp! bongbong Sep 2012 #30
This Half Rambo shit is embarrasing! ellisonz Sep 2012 #34
Maybe he joined the ranks of the U.S Hoplophobic Army. Now, he's cowering in his basement. rDigital Sep 2012 #40
So your against someone defending themselves and their property? glacierbay Sep 2012 #45
I'm against someone who shoots first and thinks later. ellisonz Sep 2012 #51
Like I told ST gejohnston Sep 2012 #53
On the contrary, it appears he had *every* reason to shoot first. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #56
In each incident the gang members initiated the violence. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #58
Not true glacierbay Sep 2012 #60
"You don't condemn the criminals" ellisonz Sep 2012 #63
Then you should be against the criminals in these incidents. They started the violence. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #65
There's stupidity on both sides. n/t ellisonz Sep 2012 #73
Much much more on the criminal side glacierbay Sep 2012 #79
But nobody is worshipping the criminals as heroes. DanTex Sep 2012 #96
but your side is not condemning them either gejohnston Sep 2012 #98
What "my side" does is point out that this gun hero made a dumb decision. DanTex Sep 2012 #99
Iraq is not remotely revevent gejohnston Sep 2012 #101
The principle is the same. You are trying to paint people who disagree with you as pro-criminal DanTex Sep 2012 #103
I don't know pro criminal, but certainly anti self defense gejohnston Sep 2012 #106
Your correct that nobody is worshipping the criminals as heroes. glacierbay Sep 2012 #127
The story isn't about criminals and neither is this group. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #156
If it were just this one comment glacierbay Oct 2012 #157
accusing someone who stands up to sociopaths gejohnston Oct 2012 #158
Whatever guy glacierbay Sep 2012 #67
I'll say it, too: You don't condemn the criminals and this thread is prima facie evidence of that. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #71
I don't underatand. Why didn't the police protect him and how did those criminals get those guns trouble.smith Sep 2012 #57
^Typical obtuse RWer ... eom Kolesar Sep 2012 #76
So I guess you can't explain why all those gun laws & all those cops didn't make this guy any safer? trouble.smith Sep 2012 #77
^ File this one under: "fucked premise" ... eom Kolesar Sep 2012 #78
Yes, the premise that anti-gun laws keep guns out of the hands of criminals is completely fucked trouble.smith Sep 2012 #80
Every incident of a gun being used in a crime is meticulously cited and cataloged 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #87
Umm... wouldn't it have been better to just shut down the shop from the get-go? DanTex Sep 2012 #95
perhaps, but like I told ST gejohnston Sep 2012 #97
It would be an intelligent choice. DanTex Sep 2012 #100
tell you what gejohnston Sep 2012 #102
Not respected by the NRA crowd, of course. DanTex Sep 2012 #105
I believe in science gejohnston Sep 2012 #107
LOL. "follow the scientific method". DanTex Sep 2012 #108
did he? gejohnston Sep 2012 #110
Yes, he did. DanTex Sep 2012 #112
he lived, gejohnston Sep 2012 #114
He was shot several times and had to shut down his business and is now hiding from a gang. Success! DanTex Sep 2012 #117
If he didn't resist, he could have been dead gejohnston Sep 2012 #122
Calling something a talking point is NOT a rebuttal. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #119
Like the man in the video said, it's about PRINCIPLE Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #152
This is a guns as solution to guns story. Zero points awarded. Loudly Sep 2012 #128
Who really cares. oneshooter Sep 2012 #130
This is what we should aspire to in this country? jpak Sep 2012 #148
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