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In the discussion thread: Ohio: Buckeyes for Concealed Carry President Uses Handgun to Defend Family [View all]

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Tue Sep 18, 2012, 07:33 PM

DanTex (3,795 posts)

39. Right, and the effect of criminal history was controlled for statistically.

Along with a whole bunch of other factors, both about the victims and also about the circumstances of the shooting.

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198 replies	Author	Time	Post
Ohio: Buckeyes for Concealed Carry President Uses Handgun to Defend Family [View all]	rDigital	Sep 2012	OP
This sounds like a made up story- why would a white man call another white man "white honky"?	kimbutgar	Sep 2012	#1
You've never seen white wannabe "gangstas" with racial confusion?	MercutioATC	Sep 2012	#6
Who uses the word "honky?" nt	Confusious	Sep 2012	#51
My brother in law.	jeepnstein	Sep 2012	#114
Well, couldn't you imagine being called a "black honky?"	Eleanors38	Sep 2012	#52
made up story or	Flashmann	Sep 2012	#153
rude baser toter.	ileus	Sep 2012	#2
Do you have another source for this besides "Students for Concealed Carry - Ohio"?	SecularMotion	Sep 2012	#3
But yet you have no problem posting articles	glacierbay	Sep 2012	#4
The police were clearly involved, why don't you call them?	rDigital	Sep 2012	#5
You say the police were involved	SecularMotion	Sep 2012	#7
I'm sure there's a police report. We can make that your responsibility to go and fetch it.	rDigital	Sep 2012	#8
If you can't find a more credible source, you should self-delete the OP	SecularMotion	Sep 2012	#11
See post #4 nt.	glacierbay	Sep 2012	#12
Fetch, boy, fetch!	rDigital	Sep 2012	#13
Funny how he'll post anti gun articles from the VPC, Huffington Post, or the Brady org.	glacierbay	Sep 2012	#15
Here's the phone number if you'd like to call them	Reasonable_Argument	Sep 2012	#14
Just from the facts presented	Reasonable_Argument	Sep 2012	#9
Sounds totally bogus	LynnTTT	Sep 2012	#10
You and SM seem to have some wish he had escalated the situation...	Clames	Sep 2012	#16
Self-defense does not include pursuit and capture.	GreenStormCloud	Sep 2012	#18
Re: The guy with the gun doesn't follow the criminal	Trunk Monkey	Sep 2012	#81
OSU Students near Westland Mall makes it a suspicious story.	bluecoat_fan	Sep 2012	#17
Make sure you keep all these posts in mind the next time you consider calling a gun owner...	Clames	Sep 2012	#22
The story sounds suspicious, not the gun owner. I too own a handgun, but the story sounds made up.	bluecoat_fan	Sep 2012	#83
More lies	bongbong	Sep 2012	#19
"lies"? Details, please...	friendly_iconoclast	Sep 2012	#20
I think the expression he uses is "prove it." nt	Eleanors38	Sep 2012	#21
Like many gun hero stories, this appears to be mostly fantasy and bravado.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#23
No it doesn't.	Clames	Sep 2012	#24
LOL. No evidence! Sometimes I forget how clueless people in the gungeon are!	DanTex	Sep 2012	#25
Remove suicides from those numbers	Reasonable_Argument	Sep 2012	#26
Umm... I think you're getting your NRA talking points mixed up.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#27
No I was talking about the first link	Reasonable_Argument	Sep 2012	#28
So was I.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#29
Really?	Reasonable_Argument	Sep 2012	#30
Yes, really.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#31
So then you admit it was included...	Reasonable_Argument	Sep 2012	#32
It was a survey, it included a lot of things.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#36
Well then	Reasonable_Argument	Sep 2012	#41
It seems to me that this is the first statistical study you have ever seen in your life.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#43
"When you don't really understand something..."	TPaine7	Sep 2012	#85
LOL. With the way you take things out of context, you ought to work for the Romney campaign.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#86
Why, are you his recruiter? No thanks I'll stick with Obama, but my condolences on your desperate,	TPaine7	Sep 2012	#88
Maybe Ron Paul is more your speed -- one of those "it's unconstitutional" wackos you seem to like.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#89
Once again, my condolences.	TPaine7	Sep 2012	#90
Until you showed up to try and settle some old scores, this was, in fact, a discussion about a	DanTex	Sep 2012	#92
If you read the paper	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#93
Why are we talking about this again?	DanTex	Sep 2012	#94
search me	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#95
So it is a personal grudge!	DanTex	Sep 2012	#96
ask him	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#97
That's the problem...	TPaine7	Sep 2012	#99
You have a wild imagination.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#110
...	TPaine7	Sep 2012	#111
LOL.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#112
Mea Culpa	TPaine7	Sep 2012	#98
Just read the link	Reasonable_Argument	Sep 2012	#35
I said it was controlled for, not excluded.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#40
Controlled for	Reasonable_Argument	Sep 2012	#44
No, that's not what controlled for means.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#45
Well stats was a long time ago but...	Reasonable_Argument	Sep 2012	#78
For the third time, yes, the study controlled for prior criminal history.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#79
53.12% of victims had prior arrests.	GreenStormCloud	Sep 2012	#37
Right, and the effect of criminal history was controlled for statistically.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#39
How many of the victims had a PA License to Carry Firearm?	GreenStormCloud	Sep 2012	#65
Rebuttal:	GreenStormCloud	Sep 2012	#34
They controlled for criminal record, along with a host of other factors.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#38
Let me guess, the Brady campaign is the only sufficiently unbiased source of information	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#33
Peer reviewed studies.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#46
Ha . . .what?!?!	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#47
Peer-reviewed studies...	DanTex	Sep 2012	#48
Do you consider FBI crime statistics to be valid?	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#49
I presented two peer reviewed studies. You?	DanTex	Sep 2012	#50
If you must ignore the FBI's studies on this then I think we have nothing to discuss	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#53
FBI doesn't have statistics on this.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#56
Do you acknowledge the the FBI statistics show crime is dropping?	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#57
Yes. Do you acknowledge that a gun provides more risk than benefit?	DanTex	Sep 2012	#58
Excellent. Do you acknowledge that while it was dropping total guns owned	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#59
You ignored my question.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#60
You ignored mine multiple times	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#61
LOL. Well, ignoring the truth doesn't make it go away.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#62
So we have more guns and less crime	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#63
LOL. Ignoring me again. I guess when you have no evidence on your side, that's the only play!	DanTex	Sep 2012	#64
I have real world evidence	glacierbay	Sep 2012	#66
What you have is anecdotal evidence.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#67
Wrong.	glacierbay	Sep 2012	#68
Actually, I'm right. What you have is anecdotal evidence.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#69
Well	glacierbay	Sep 2012	#71
Your attempt at an argument here sucks. n/t	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#125
Yeah, that guy tends to make a lot of noise and then hide when evidence is presented.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#128
That's one interpretation	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#130
LOL. The "creationist" charge by the guy who's intent on ignoring the scientific evidence.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#131
You refuse to acknowledge	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#134
What are you talking about?	DanTex	Sep 2012	#140
You like that phrase	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#161
I suppose the irony is that given his username...	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#138
Yes, I agree, it is a low-education level demographic.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#141
It's clear neither of you read those studies	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#162
LOL. "pointing out issues"	DanTex	Sep 2012	#165
This is getting sad	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#166
You have yet to make a single cogent critique of any of the studies.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#168
Actually I've made several	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#170
Wrong again.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#172
You forgot your smiley	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#174
And you forgot to make a cogent point.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#176
"cogent point"	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#179
Looks like you've completely given up on substance. Not too surprising.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#181
"scientifically illiterate"	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#183
Still dodging! Anytime you want to talk substance, I'll be here!	DanTex	Sep 2012	#186
Not really	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#129
Like I pointed out last time you made that silly argument...	DanTex	Sep 2012	#132
As has been pointed out to you before	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#133
LOL. "the studies you cite are always flawed"	DanTex	Sep 2012	#137
. . . .	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#160
LOL. This is getting good!	DanTex	Sep 2012	#164
So your reponse to every valid criticism is either	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#167
LOL. Dodge. Thanks for playing!	DanTex	Sep 2012	#169
We have another poster that	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#171
Dodge again. Have you read up on proxy variables yet?	DanTex	Sep 2012	#173
Pro-tip	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#175
Dodge yet again.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#177
"dodge"	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#178
Still dodging. Whatever you do, make sure you don't try and make a substantive point!	DanTex	Sep 2012	#180
"fall apart"	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#182
Still dodging! Still waiting for you to respond about those proxy variables!	DanTex	Sep 2012	#184
"melted down"	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#187
Still dodging! Proxy variables, peer reviewed studies. Any of that ring a bell?	DanTex	Sep 2012	#188
This message was self-deleted by its author	DanTex	Sep 2012	#184
Correlation, not causation. n/t	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#136
You provided garbage.	Clames	Sep 2012	#74
LOL. Keep that head in buried in that sand!	DanTex	Sep 2012	#82
"Peer Reviewed" garbage is still garbage. Everyone has an axe to grind, especially those in your	rDigital	Sep 2012	#84
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Clames	Sep 2012	#108
LOL. Now that was truly funny! A gun fanatic claiming to understand science!!!	DanTex	Sep 2012	#109
I did answer your question. You just don't read very well.	Clames	Sep 2012	#117
So what's the answer? You deny science across the board?	DanTex	Sep 2012	#118
I deny your brand of opinion-based science. I quite enjoy the fact-based science though.	Clames	Sep 2012	#119
Lordy. It just keeps getting worse...	DanTex	Sep 2012	#120
Getting worse is your understanding of basic mathematics.	Clames	Sep 2012	#121
Those with a fear of instruments have more of a theological view on gun control than logical.	rDigital	Sep 2012	#122
Funny you bring up "theological view" when you are the one denying the empirical evidence.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#124
Well that's just like your opinion, man. You're peer-reviewed tripe is "peer reviewed" by people	rDigital	Sep 2012	#126
LOL. Russia? Again?	DanTex	Sep 2012	#127
Cool numbers, bro.	rDigital	Sep 2012	#135
Dodge. LOL. What happened to "Russia" and "deaths per gun".	DanTex	Sep 2012	#139
Nice try.	rDigital	Sep 2012	#142
"Russia is an incredibly valid point, that's beyond dispute." LOL!	DanTex	Sep 2012	#143
So many characters to say so little. Ignore the inconvenient truths, keep your head in the sand.	rDigital	Sep 2012	#144
Dodge. LOL. Always a good time!	DanTex	Sep 2012	#145
Because keeping people from killing themselves is really a possibility and by extension a valid	rDigital	Sep 2012	#146
Get back to me after you've read some of the scientific evidence.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#147
I'm not arguing with the numbers of that site. I'm saying that suicide isn't a valid gun control	rDigital	Sep 2012	#148
I don't really care what you think is a valid argument.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#150
this airplane?	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#151
you screech "you uneducated oaf" but don't explain	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#149
Hey, you said "uneducated oaf", not me. But since you mention...	DanTex	Sep 2012	#152
yes you did, just not that exact term	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#155
Well, if the shoe fits...	DanTex	Sep 2012	#156
read my edit,	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#157
Wow, you really don't get it.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#158
I get it very well	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#159
Umm....	DanTex	Sep 2012	#163
not quite	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#189
Yes, and the assault rates are similar to ours. Not nearly as far out of line as homicide.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#190
over generalization	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#192
Not necessarily.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#193
how many of their robberies are guns used	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#194
Don't know about gun robberies in Canada. I've seen 40% for the percent of Canada's murders by gun	DanTex	Sep 2012	#195
what increase of murders in Canada?	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#196
I meant increase relative to UK, Germany, France, etc.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#197
In Australia	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#198
LOL. You have zero evidence of cherry picking.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#123
Probably the only reason that this report made the news ...	spin	Sep 2012	#54
I don't know if it actually made the news. The link in the OP is to Buckeyes for Concealed Carry.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#70
Will you at least admit ...	spin	Sep 2012	#72
Of course.	DanTex	Sep 2012	#73
I can see some points we agree on. ...	spin	Sep 2012	#75
‘white honky.’”	Botany	Sep 2012	#42
Something's wrong	brush	Sep 2012	#55
I call bullshit	TrogL	Sep 2012	#76
many CCW stories end without gunshots and 911 calls	trouble.smith	Sep 2012	#77
Am I evil if I say	Trunk Monkey	Sep 2012	#80
Nope not at all...	ileus	Sep 2012	#87
I contacted Mike and there have been some updates made to the story. nt	rDigital	Sep 2012	#91
well, what are the Updates?	Tuesday Afternoon	Sep 2012	#100
The uPdates have been added on to the original link. : ) nt	rDigital	Sep 2012	#101
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tuesday Afternoon	Sep 2012	#104
This is all we really need to know about it...	jeepnstein	Sep 2012	#116
They are at the link in the OP. I include them as they answer questions raised on this thread:	friendly_iconoclast	Sep 2012	#103
thanks, I will delete my reply because it is now redundant.	Tuesday Afternoon	Sep 2012	#105
Did you ask him about his politics?	SecularMotion	Sep 2012	#115
This message was self-deleted by its author	Dash87	Sep 2012	#102
This story sounds like complete and utter bullshit.	MotherPetrie	Sep 2012	#106
Well then, do the research necessary to debunk it.	friendly_iconoclast	Sep 2012	#107
I thought it was BS until the attacker answered his cell phone.	jeepnstein	Sep 2012	#113
Like you always say. Prove it!	upaloopa	Sep 2012	#154
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Sep 2012	#191

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