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Response to ellisonz (Reply #32)

Wed Sep 5, 2012, 10:00 PM

gejohnston (12,561 posts)

35. problem is, your take will be viewed as extremest by many independents

and that is what the OP is asking about. We are talking about independents, who are probably the majority of people. These are folks who are not overly concerned with abstract economic and social theories but are concerned about concrete issues that affects them personally. They don't give a rat's ass about ideology and they don't watch Fox or read Think Progress.

The part you miss is that, as sociologist James D. Wright observed, that the guy in Montana or rural Illinois will see themselves as being scapegoats by big city politicians who can't fix their own crime problems. I saw former Ohio Gov. Strickland give a kick assed speech at the convention. The NRA supported him over the asshole that beat him. Was Obama and DNC pandering then?

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99 replies	Author	Time	Post
Please compare the Dem and GOP platforms re RKBA. Speculation welcome on how independent voters [View all]	jody	Sep 2012	OP
Both parties need to be more progressive to all rights.	ileus	Sep 2012	#1
Agree, I'm drinking a martini, my favorite from Vietnam days. Wish you were here to join me. nt	jody	Sep 2012	#2
Very true	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#11
This message was self-deleted by its author	DWC	Sep 2012	#96
depends on the individual voter	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#3
Makes sense. Bubba Carville said "It's the economy, stupid" and the more things change the more they	jody	Sep 2012	#4
Yep, adjusted for inflation the NFA tax today would be almost $3000 nt	rDigital	Sep 2012	#5
I do not understand the assault weapons ban angle.	Atypical Liberal	Sep 2012	#6
I think the platform authors feel stuck with it, like the GOP and their zygote personhood plank	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#8
"this is just pandering to ignorant anti-gun people"	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#12
How disappointing this anti-gun language was retained in the current platform.	LAGC	Sep 2012	#7
The new AWB has plenty of bite.	GreenStormCloud	Sep 2012	#46
You have to admire the "logic" of paragraph L:	ManiacJoe	Sep 2012	#86
The GOP platform mentions high-capacity "clips"!	Common Sense Party	Sep 2012	#9
I see "clips or magazines"	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#10
They are different things, yes.	holdencaufield	Sep 2012	#42
The new AWB bans both and plenty of others too, such as the M-1 carbine.	GreenStormCloud	Sep 2012	#47
That's gonna with 'em some votes?	holdencaufield	Sep 2012	#48
That is exactly why this nonsense must be nipped in the bud every time it comes back	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#63
Umm, that's from 2003	Lurks Often	Sep 2012	#66
The same bill was reintroduced in 2008 by McCarthy.	GreenStormCloud	Sep 2012	#69
Depends on how hard it is pushed in election ads	Lurks Often	Sep 2012	#13
Being anti-gun will lose you PA. Guns are more popular than Jesus here. If you know how popular	rDigital	Sep 2012	#14
"like reinstating the assault weapons ban"	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#15
So you don't want democrats to win?	oneshooter	Sep 2012	#16
think about it	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#17
Oh if only I understood the death spewers better...	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#18
that the best you can do?	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#19
He wants Democrats to lose. n/t	oneshooter	Sep 2012	#20
Some of us don't need to change the subject to make a point.	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#21
I was not changing the subject	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#22
In post #17 there is no connection between the upper half of your post and your last paragraph.	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#23
no,	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#26
Wow --- maybe we should just adopt all the Republican positions so they can't attack us?	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#27
I'm not talking about the NRA	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#29
Anyone who wants to vote for the other guys because...	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#32
problem is, your take will be viewed as extremest by many independents	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#35
Many independents aren't Democrats and will never be Democrats...	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#39
I'll give you	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#44
so you don't think this is extreme?	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#52
I think your friends there are distorting the meaning of those words.	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#53
how so?	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#55
Your interlocutor seems to have found your questions inconvenient...	friendly_iconoclast	Sep 2012	#87
He never has, and probably never will.	oneshooter	Sep 2012	#90
He wants Democrats to lose. n/t	oneshooter	Sep 2012	#89
He wants Democrats to lose. n/t	oneshooter	Sep 2012	#98
Who are you to declare that a Democrat isn't allowed to disagree with one or two items...	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#24
"one or two items"	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#25
shrinking the tent	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#28
He wants Democrats to lose. n/t	oneshooter	Sep 2012	#30
You think gun control policy is "sideshow bullshit"	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#33
they blame the nut case	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#36
I'm sure you consulted with the people of Aurora on our failed gun control policy. n/t	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#38
have you?	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#43
The people of Aurora deserve exactly as much say on gun control policy as you and I do	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#62
You're very wrong but thank you for illustrating the Package Deal Fallacy	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#61
But yet you argue for a so-called "Pro-RKBA" view...	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#70
they are not unregulated	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#73
And now you have provided a perfect example of the Straw Man Fallacy	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#79
Democrats don't do lockstep.	rrneck	Sep 2012	#31
What do you mean by " supposedly Democratic website"? Do you believe Democrats oppose the natural,	jody	Sep 2012	#34
I'm the type of Democrat who doesn't have any tolerance of NRA rubbish.	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#37
What kind am I?	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#41
You seem to connect NRA with pro-RKBA Democrat. NRA has less than 5 million mbrs and perhaps 80m or	jody	Sep 2012	#51
I reject the intellectual construct of "pro-RKBA"	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#54
who defines responsible, you?	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#56
The arithmetic defines responsible...	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#57
perhaps it would be a better idea	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#58
"To be quite honest, I think terms like "industrialized", "developed" etc. are out dated."	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#59
once again, you missed the point	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#60
In 2008 Obama said "I believe in the Second Amendment. I believe in people's lawful right to bear	jody	Sep 2012	#65
Barack Obama supports the Assault Weapons Ban. n/t	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#71
There is no legal definition in Federal law for "Assault Weapon". You claim Obama supports something	jody	Sep 2012	#75
What a silly argument!	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#76
Your reply reveals a lot about you. Have a great day and goodbye. nt	jody	Sep 2012	#77
You guys have been on a real snit ever since Hoyt's banishment	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#81
You're one to talk about "a real snit"	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#82
LOL! You're one of the people who never figured out what it was about.	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#84
He wants Democrats to lose. n/t	oneshooter	Sep 2012	#99
quote? link?	Tuesday Afternoon	Sep 2012	#94
He wants Democrats to lose. n/t	oneshooter	Sep 2012	#91
Who died and appointed you forum politruk?	Euromutt	Sep 2012	#40
So you're going to support obstruction of the President on this issue? n/t	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#45
Do I support obstruction of the President?	holdencaufield	Sep 2012	#49
The President has been silent on the issue. Nobody here is trying to obstruct him on anything.	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#64
So you're saying that back when Pres. Clinton was in office...	eqfan592	Sep 2012	#67
How dare you bring logic to a perfectly emotional attempted shaming?	X_Digger	Sep 2012	#68
Comparing civil rights issues to "gun rights" nonsense is fallacious.	ellisonz	Sep 2012	#72
Because the law does NOT say people aren't allowed to own such a weapon, we do have that right	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#80
He wants Democrats to lose. n/t	oneshooter	Sep 2012	#92
Firearms ownership is a civil right	Reasonable_Argument	Sep 2012	#95
The self-appointed zampolits do tend to end up contradicting themselves, don't they?	friendly_iconoclast	Sep 2012	#88
Nope I am going	Berserker	Sep 2012	#83
As far as I'm aware, the platform is written by the DNC, not the president	Euromutt	Sep 2012	#85
It will make only a minor difference against us.	GreenStormCloud	Sep 2012	#50
So, to get back on track	gejohnston	Sep 2012	#74
Exactly! About 60-70% of voters are pro-RKBA. IMO independents are 60-70% or greater pro-RKBA. That	jody	Sep 2012	#78
I don't think you can speculate off one issue	Trunk Monkey	Sep 2012	#93
I think you	Berserker	Sep 2012	#97

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