Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Hoyt banned from the gungeon. So much for the impartiality of the group host. [View all]krispos42
(49,445 posts)For transparency, this is the entire exchange via DU mail between myself and DanTex. Most recent correspondence is at the top.
[div class=excerpt style=background:#AFEEEE]Hi DanTex,
1) The practice of posting from RW sources is not a problem assuming the posted topic is relevant to the issue of RKBA. After all, the left-wing sources are riddled with factual errors and are routinely pointed out. You may not like the opinions of the RW sources, but you have to acknowledge that the facts of the left-wing sources leave something to be desired.
2) If Hoyt had limited himself to hurling insults, he'd still be here. There are others on the pro-gun-control side that do that, and they're still here. Part of my job is to deal with patterns that a jury cannot. As a moderator, this was something that the mods could do because they had access to records and histories that others did not. With the demise of the moderation system, this leaves something to be desired.
3) The pro-gun trolls, as you call them, are often nuked by MIRT. I've nuked more than one as a moderator, myself. The anti-gun trolls... not so much.
4) If you find a pro-gunner calling the Gungeon a festering pit of gun-controlling black panthers or something, let me know so I can ban them.
5) The sum total of banned people is 2. The sum total of trolled nuked by MIRT is something higher than 2.
Regards,
Krispos42, Group Host
> The problem with this is that it is completely one-sided. There are plenty of pro-gunners who do little but hurl insults, or engage in other objectionable practices like posting OPs from right-wing sources. If comparing the gungeon to a Klan meeting is a bannable offense, then surely calling fellow DUers "bigoted", which occurs all the time, should be as well.
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> It's not like you are the only person on DU who is frustrated with the jury system. But it is the process that we have in place, and at least it's the same for everyone, as opposed to having you unilaterally decide who stays and who goes.
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> Do you think anyone who doesn't share your pro-gun views thinks that it is fair that Hoyt got banned but none of the pro-gun trolls have? And I'll remind you that a great many pro-gun posters eventually get banned from DU by admins, so let's not pretend there aren't pro-gun trolls here. A few recent examples are permatex and Johnny Rico, but there are a lot of others. If you were really looking to clean up the gungeon, you'd think that you would have caught at least one of those pro-gun trolls before the admins did. The fact that your only victims are people who disagree with you politically doesn't inspire much confidence in your even-handedness.
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> Which is too bad. For a long time you managed to host the gungeon fairly, and put your own politics aside, but now it appears you have crossed over.
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> > Hi DanTex,
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> > Hoyt got banned after comparing the Gungeon to a Klan meeting, and after a jury was dumb enough... again... to let such obvious insults stand "because it's the Gungeon".
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> > Such talk does not enable discussion, which is the purpose of DU in general.
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> > Please note that you're the first person to notice and ask. Even Hoyt hasn't said a word about it, neither in Meta or to me via PM. He seems quite comfortable with his banning, which frankly indicates to me this activities were intended to disrupt rather than discuss.
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> > Regards,
> > Krispos42, Group Host
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> > > I was going to make a protest OP, because I can hardly imagine that there's a legitimate reason, but I figure I'd ask just in case.
I think I've explained my position abundantly. I would note that the total number of people on the ban list is 2. After 9 months. And both of them are still members of DU; they simply aren't allowed in the Group anymore.
Regards,
Krispos42, Group Host
Also, this sort of discussion belongs in Meta.